Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Manchurian Independence Movement


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The result was   delete. —  Aitias  // discussion 14:23, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

Manchurian Independence Movement

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Tagged for speedy deletion; does not fit criteria. The chief objection is that it is original research. Chick Bowen 18:56, 6 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete It is OR. The article itself admits that "little is known" about the topic. Ray (talk) 18:58, 6 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete Bah. OR. The premise of the article is that we don't even know whether such a movement exists? That's beyond the realm of OR into some strange land of inverse speculation... Bah! J L G 4 1 0 4  20:01, 6 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete "Whether or not an actual independence movement exists is unsure."... Ddawkins73 (talk) 20:44, 6 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete The creator of the article wrote the entire article as an hypothesis, and based information on "internet messages passed around." The creator is also unsure if it exist or not. The only cited source is a message board .  The creator did not offered any valid source on whether this is an actual active movement.--Balthazarduju (talk) 05:31, 7 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment. There was certainly such a movement in the early 20th century, that seems to be covered well by Manchukuo and its sub-articles. Phil Bridger (talk) 20:35, 7 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Yes. It is quite possible that an article could be written at this title (or rather at its proper capitalization, Manchurian independence movements), that would describe the history of such movements during the early history of the Republic of China and the Japanese occupation.  But I don't think the content from the current article would be useful for such an article, so deletion wouldn't effect it. A redirect would be possible but not ideal given that currently the information is, as you say, covered in multiple articles. Chick Bowen 01:01, 8 February 2009 (UTC)
 * "Comment". Well, obviously, since its my article, I'd like to state that I don't exactly see why not knowing whether it exists or not in the physical world (outside of internet threads and websites) is actually criteria for deleting it. I don't see the HARM in keeping it around. Plus, it can always be improved, such and such. And, seriously, "internet messages passed around" is not ever what it was or what was stated in the article; there were a number of pages, and threads, one of which I linked, specifically on teh topic. I could hardly call it OR when (a) such a movement has existed in the past and (b) I am linking the thread specifically on teh topic of "INDEPENDENCE FOR MANCHURIA". Furthermore, while whatever was going on on the web may very well be a scam of sorts, couldn't it still be considered a movement of some sort, because it does advocate a cause. Therefore, it DOES exist, whether or not the real life organization it claims exists or not, the INTERNET movement does, and that counts for something, right? And once again, it can always be improved, and I seriously don't see the HARM in having it there... —Preceding unsigned comment added by Yalens (talk • contribs) 15:45, 11 February 2009 (UTC)


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