Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Mander family


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   no consensus. Cirt (talk) 04:20, 25 September 2008 (UTC)

Mander family

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Though some members may prove notable, the family itself is not necessarily worthy of an article. Majority of sources are geneaology books written by folks named Mander... Addionne (talk) 17:24, 15 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Keep Thanks for this. As far as I can see, quite a few pages link in and the ranking is OK, at least compared to other articles in the "English families" category, rather randomly sampled. Can you check this is so? The family seems locally notable; but the more distinguished members have their own Wikipedia articles, which may be sufficient. One solution might be to cut the introductory matter and [s]merge material with the existing "Mander baronets" article. But there's no standard form for an article in that category. With regard to sources, the detailed bibliographies are in the sources cited; could clean up here. Handsaw (talk) 16 September 2008
 * Keep I see a lot of this discussion (rehearsing arguments relevant here) has taken place re a linked article: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Huxley_family But the result was inconclusive... Handsaw (talk) 10:10, 17 September 2008

Only one "keep" per person please. It should be noted Handshaw is the article creator. Dloh cierekim  01:12, 20 September 2008 (UTC) 
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so that consensus may be reached. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Protonk (talk) 06:06, 20 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Delete, as per the statement of the nominator. There are certainly notable Manders (and in fact are listed here on WP), but like Addionne suggests, the family overall doesn't seem to be notable enough for its own article.  I mean, should the Carr family be included for Eric, a drummer with KISS, and Robin, a pulp romance novelist? -- Dennis The Tiger   (Rawr and stuff) 06:16, 20 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Weak Delete. I think the WP:NOTINHERITED should apply here. Simply having a number of notable individual members does not yet make a family notable under WP:N. One really needs to have some independent sources covering the family as a family. In this case a couple of such sources are listed, but they are written by members of the Mander family itself and thus are not independent. The book of Patricia Pegg is an independent source but it appears to be a book about a specific Mander. Nsk92 (talk) 16:40, 20 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep Having a number of notable family members is exactly what makes a family notable. A book about one Mander will mention the others, so it provides for independent verification. N does not depend on independent sourcing always, if there is reliable material from which an article can be written. DGG (talk) 20:12, 20 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep Looking over the biographies, connection to the family and status in Wolverhampton seems to have played a significant role in the lives of most of the Manders. Choess (talk) 20:27, 21 September 2008 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.