Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Mandi Perkins


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The result was speedy keep per WP:SK. Nomination withdrawn with no outstanding delete votes. (non-admin closure) • Gene93k (talk) 16:01, 4 October 2013 (UTC)

Mandi Perkins

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Fancy meeting me here, huh? I rarely ever want to see articles deleted, but one thing that might send me here, even for a musician, is blatant promotional content. This isn't blatant, but I think it is, in the end, promotional, without further redeeming qualities.

This musician had a deal with Sony and recorded an album, which was shelved, and she was dropped from the roster. It received almost no notice aside from garnering her an Allmusic profile (which is how I heard of her; I am a frequent reader). She later formed a band, called Of Verona, which might pass muster under WP:MUSIC, but I am now convinced Perkins is not notable in her own right. There is one solid source - the Allmusic profile - which is usually enough to sell me on any musician, but I'm not aware of anything else substantial; most of the footnotes in this article don't lead to third-party references.

The author of this article, User:Arider88, and I, are virtually the only substantial editors of this article (aside from IP edits, which, I am convinced, are actually logged-out edits of Arider). Early in this page's history (nearly five years ago!), I found the page and tried to shepherd it. A particular flashpoint turned out to be the inclusion of Perkins's earliest two EPs, which Arider88 removed repeatedly, despite the fact that the only reliable source we had, AMG, included them. Years of tendentious editing over these EPs continued; Arider, or an IP, would remove them, usually without comment, and I would restore them since they were about the only solidly referenced information the page had.

The stubbornness with which this edit war has been carried out makes me believe Arider88 is part of Perkins's management team, and that they are of the opinion this "early work" is perhaps damaging to her public image in some way. This user's edits exclusively concern three musicians - Dillon Pace (an article Arider wrote which was deleted via AfD for lack of notability), Of Verona (Perkins's band), and Perkins herself. I believe this article is being used exclusively as a promotional tool for Perkins - and that would not bring me to AfD on its own, as I see notable musicians with puff-bios all the time. (Much of what I do on Wiki is convince people that certain musicians are still worthy of inclusion even if their pages are being puppetteered by management teams.) However, here I think we have a promotional page, written by a COI editor, about a musician whom I cannot defend as meeting WP:MUSIC on her own. If anyone can bring forth sources or further information that would allow us to stake a claim on WP:MUSIC that I'm not seeing, I'd be happy to see the page stay. My sense is that the claims about songwriting might be an inroad, as there is an impressive list of "collaborators" on the page, but I don't know what these collaborations consist of, and her publishing deal began this year, so I'm not holding out much hope. Chubbles (talk) 02:19, 3 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Weak keep/merge to Of Verona. In addition to the Allmusic bio, I found coverage from Billboard, NBC, Chico Enterprise Record, The Music Box (not sure this would be considered a reliable source) and Starpulse (again not sure if this is reliable and it looks like a reprinted press release). --Michig (talk) 17:44, 3 October 2013 (UTC)
 * That's enough for me! Withdraw Nomination. Chubbles (talk) 18:51, 3 October 2013 (UTC)
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