Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Manhattan Book Group


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete‎__EXPECTED_UNCONNECTED_PAGE__. Thanks to User:Kuru for their comments. This probably could have been closed without a relist. Paid editors are becoming more sophisticated. Liz Read! Talk! 00:28, 24 March 2024 (UTC)

Manhattan Book Group

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"Contributor Content" blogs fail WP:RELY, and thus fail ncorp. She was a fairy 06:32, 13 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of New York-related deletion discussions. Owen&times;  &#9742;  07:34, 13 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Literature and Companies.  WC  Quidditch   ☎   ✎  10:53, 13 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Keep: USA Today is clearly a reliable source so this alone shows it qualifies as being notable. Additionally, the company has been responsible for publishing several notable books such as "Shifting", "All This Healing is Killing me", "Living and Touring with Alice Cooper", Balaclava, Surviving Hospice and "Leaving Bacon Behind". — Preceding unsigned comment added by Buridicu (talk • contribs) 17:24, 13 March 2024 (UTC)
 * just because a company has helped published notable books does not automatically make the company notable. Contributor Content pieces are not reliable. She was  a fairy 07:08, 14 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Beyond what Shewasafairy said, these books have questionable notability per WP:NBOOK. Please note that AB Newswire is specifically a PR platform, so it is not considered a reliable source. Significa liberdade (she/her) (talk) 13:30, 14 March 2024 (UTC)
 * I checked all of the titles mentioned above and they are all on Amazon and notable. I agree that ABNewswire isn't notable or reliable but the books themselves, published by Manhattan Book Group, are notable. 2601:188:CE80:E280:2CAD:FA20:7988:1C5A (talk) 02:44, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Delete, both the USAToday and LAMag sources are very clearly labeled as contributor blog posts. Ceoworld.biz is also a CRO/PR platform. I've removed those. did a solid job removing many other PR sources, including some known blackhat SEO sources. Searches only show the same junk and more SEO placement. That leaves us with a single directory entry provided by the company. Sam Kuru (talk) 12:07, 14 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Delete - The sources from the previous version of the page don't meet WP:NCORP. All of the sources were either passing mentions, primary sources, or sources such as blogs (even though the USA Today source is considered WP:GREL with regards to actual content, that particular source was labeled as a blog). Beyond that, I couldn't really find anything significant in reliable secondary sources. – Epicgenius (talk) 13:37, 14 March 2024 (UTC)
 * It's not labeled as a "blog". It's labeled as "Contributor Content." There's a difference as far as I can tell. 2601:188:CE80:E280:2CAD:FA20:7988:1C5A (talk) 02:54, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Delete Per the analysis of the sources above. Promotional contributor content is useless for establishing notability. AusLondonder (talk) 08:26, 15 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Keep USA Today is a Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Perennial_sources. The Manhattan Book Group USA Today article, which was originally included as a reference for this page and has since been removed, is marked "contributor content," not blog. The contributor in this case, Molly Peck, must have been vetted by USA Today to become a contributor. And I'd also assume that her articles are vetted by USA Today prior to publishing. "Editors agree that USA Today is generally reliable. As the largest newspaper in the U.S., editors note that the newspaper has a very good editing system and its centrism." Nowhere does Reliable sources/Perennial sources specify anything about "contributor content" from USA Today being unreliable. There's no distinction between "contributor content" and other articles on USA Today as per Wikipedia.--2601:188:CE80:E280:2CAD:FA20:7988:1C5A (talk) 02:17, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Jon Stojan, not Molly Peck* 2601:188:CE80:E280:2CAD:FA20:7988:1C5A (talk) 02:19, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Hi, I have fixed this. Please see WP:RS/P again.
 * It's a Delete from me. TLA  tlak 03:35, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
 * The contributor content "unreliability" seems to be your opinion. Not convincing. 2601:188:CE80:E280:2CAD:FA20:7988:1C5A (talk) 03:46, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
 * It's a fact. The blog post is written by a brand marketing 'consultant' (First North Marketing), and has a clear disclaimer: ""Members of the editorial and news staff of the USA TODAY network were not involved in the creation of this content". USA Today isn't going to add silly adcopy to professional article like "a singular entity stands out as a symbol of innovation and creativity" or "this independent publishing house is breaking conventions, transforming the publishing landscape, and providing unparalleled opportunities for authors." That's just in the first paragraph; the rest is silly puffery. This is utter, amateur-hour garbage. Sam Kuru (talk) 16:47, 17 March 2024 (UTC)


 * Borderline Keep for me due to the Mariel Hemingway connection. Found this article. I know we don’t generally use YouTube as a source, but a video of Mariel endorsing Manhattan Book Group does exist here. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:188:CE80:E280:2517:F719:A387:A11 (talk) 09:14, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
 * 'marketsherald' is Hudson Coldblue blackhat SEO/PR farm pretending to be a news site. Same farm as the 'hudsonweekly' blackhat ref added by you to the article. Please note that you only get one vote per person; cycling to another IP on the same /64 in New Hampshire does not make you a new entity. Sam Kuru (talk) 16:43, 17 March 2024 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 07:26, 20 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Delete company not notable and no source for notability found. Powerviki (talk) 11:24, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * Delete: Inc. source is provided by company, USA Today contributors are unreliable, and Elucid magazine fails WP:CORPDEPTH. Fails WP:NCORP. ARandomName123 (talk)Ping me! 12:35, 20 March 2024 (UTC)


 * Keep Seems notable based on news sources found in search. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.161.62.210 (talk) 22:39, 22 March 2024 (UTC)
 * You added another blackhat SEO dump site, an advertorial on a PR site, and the same press release. As this "company" has been heavily engaged in paid placement and PR efforts, you'll need to dig harder to find actual reliable sources. I was not able to locate anything remotely notable. Frankly, the only keeps are a new COI editor, and two IPs - one of which is located in the same city as the group that runs the subject of the article. Sam Kuru (talk) 14:44, 23 March 2024 (UTC)


 * Delete Not a single source meets GNG/WP:NCORP guidelines for establishing notability. We require in-depth "Independent Content" about the *company*, not marketing PR and spin.  HighKing++ 21:59, 23 March 2024 (UTC)


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