Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Manitowoc County Mariners


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete.  — fetch ·  comms   01:18, 14 July 2010 (UTC)

Manitowoc County Mariners

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This article doesn't even discuss the league in which this team plays. Google hits are Facebook and similar. There doesn't appear to be any importance on this subject. Mild advert (inclusion of schedule) to boot. &mdash; Timneu22 · &#32; talk 18:06, 6 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Wisconsin-related deletion discussions.  -- • Gene93k (talk) 00:30, 7 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of American football-related deletion discussions.  -- • Gene93k (talk) 00:30, 7 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete Semi-pro football in this region of Wisconsin is completely unnotable; no newspaper in our area covers it, the only fields they play at are in public parks (the only possible fields where these games could otherwise be played are owned by school districts and never leased out) and I never heard of the "Sheboygan County Rebels" mentioned in this article until this moment. Completely non-notable.  Nate  • ( chatter ) 03:30, 7 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Some background - Nate is from the Sheboygan County area.  Royal broil  03:32, 8 July 2010 (UTC)


 * Delete take your pick: notability and/or reliable sources.--Paul McDonald (talk) 04:21, 7 July 2010 (UTC)
 * KeepYou haven't heard of it yet since the league doesn't start until August and the Mariners are in their first year of playing in it. My guess is that there will be a photojournalist from the Herald Times Reporter at the home games. There was also talk about the team on AM 1240 WOMT when Mr. Alfaro went to promote the team to all of Manitowoc County. The Sheboygan County Rebels are also in their first year of being known by that name. The Oostburg Rebels were opened up the the whole Sheboygan County area. The Rebels started off in the Ironman Football League but left due to unhappiness with the League Management. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Junglecat69 (talk • contribs) 19:12, 7 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Not started = probably no notability. &mdash; Timneu22 · &#32; talk 19:36, 7 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment doesn't matter... if they had started and I had heard of it. It's just not even remotely close enough to achieve notability on the scale that we seek here.  Try another wiki?--Paul McDonald (talk) 11:49, 8 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete Which Times Herald Reporter? Have we heard of it? OK, I won't have done but how much of a paper is it. Yes, I have - now. Found it. The Manitowoc Times-Herald Reporter - with a max of 25 ghits many of which are not relevant (being what look like pull-in trap sites). And apart from that, please read WP:CRYSTAL. August hasn't arrived yet. Promotion of the team on a local station by the Team President is no indication of notability. It's PR - advertising under a posh name. as is this article. It looks to me like a way of drumming up support and getting the match list out on the cheap. Wikipedia is not for promotion. Peridon (talk) 21:42, 7 July 2010 (UTC)
 * More background - Junglecat69's means the Manitowoc Times Herald which is a daily newspaper in Manitowoc owned by Gannett - sadly one of the few Gannett newspapers without a Wikipedia article yet. It's a definitely a reliable source published with sister publications Sheboygan Press and The Post Crescent at Gannett's Appleton, Wisconsin printing facility.  Royal broil  03:32, 8 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks for that. Doesn't affect the application of CRYSTAL and other lack of notability. Peridon (talk) 10:28, 8 July 2010 (UTC)


 * Delete - only semi-pro with no reliable sources to verify that it is notable. I'm willing to reconsider with proof that it meets the general notability guideline. I'm from this side of Wisconsin and I've never seen any media coverage of any team in the league like I do for the Green Bay Bullfrogs.  Royal broil  03:32, 8 July 2010 (UTC)

I just have a question for all of you that shoot down this article. Do you even read it?? I don't know if you can't click your mouse on a link or even read, there are sources on the site that i have used. And that crystal ball thing. take the brewers for example. their whole 2010 schedule is on this site. How can't this one be?? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Junglecat69 (talk • contribs) 16:48, 9 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Response Actually there is very little to read, it's mostly tables. But yeah I read it.  Looks like a fun team!  If I was in town, I'd think about suiting up or at least go to a game or something.  Probably a blast.  Cool that they do park cleanups too!  And... it's not notable for inclusion in this encyclopedia.--Paul McDonald (talk) 04:10, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

Hey RoyalBroll or whatever your name is. you cant compare college baseball to semi pro football. that is like comparing freakin apples to bananas. you just cant do it. Mr. Jungle Cat —Preceding unsigned comment added by Junglecat69 (talk • contribs) 16:51, 9 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment I think that's the editors point, actually...--Paul McDonald (talk) 04:10, 10 July 2010 (UTC)
 * This may surprise you, Junglecat, but I'm not against this article. Maybe I should drive to Manty and check them out. I haven't seen any proof that they exist so far, which is required by Notability. Here's the key sentence from that guideline: "Information on Wikipedia must be verifiable; if no reliable third-party sources can be found on a topic, then it should not have a separate article." Meet that sentence and I'll change my vote. You need at least 3 independent reliable sources like newspapers, television, magazines, etc. I like to keep articles not delete them.  Royal broil  14:24, 10 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Second I'll change my position if I see such examples of notability, no problem!--Paul McDonald (talk) 16:26, 10 July 2010 (UTC)


 * Delete - If the sole assertion of notability is that the article author believes they might be covered by a small local paper in a few months' time, this should clearly be deleted.Minnowtaur (talk) 05:33, 12 July 2010 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.