Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Manny Machado (2nd nomination)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   redirect to Baltimore Orioles minor league players. Redirecting as an editorial decision. The consensus is to keep this article but I recommend leaving it as a redirect until he plays his first game in the bigs. At that point there will be no doubt that he meets WP:NSPORT. (non-admin closure) Ron Ritzman (talk) 00:52, 1 September 2010 (UTC)

Manny Machado
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Relisting per Deletion review/Log/2010 August 18. This article was deleted by the first AfD, recreated, and then deleted again by WP:CSD. However, the DRV suggests that G4 had been inappropriately applied. I abstain. King of &hearts;   &diams;   &clubs;  &spades; 00:49, 25 August 2010 (UTC)


 * Redirect to the Baltimore Orioles. Since the prior AFD he has been signed. T o my knowledge, he has not played. Not notable till he plays. Thought the creator understood this. Dloh  cierekim  00:52, 25 August 2010 (UTC)
 * According to the Baltimore Sun Sports news-blog, "will likely be introduced at Camden Yards during the Orioles-Tampa Bay Rays series on either Sept. 3 or Sept. 4." So I would not delete this. Dloh cierekim  01:00, 25 August 2010 (UTC)
 * also, Move the current article with it's edit history (the creator put a lot of work into this) back to userspace till subject becomes notable. Then move the article back. Dloh  cierekim  02:45, 25 August 2010 (UTC)


 * SEE MLB/N. Dloh  cierekim  00:55, 25 August 2010 (UTC)


 * KEEP Technically, does not necessarily meet the WP:GNG or WP:MLB/N. However, he will be unquestionably notable when he plays. The announced time for that is when the Rays visit the Orioles Sept 3 or 4. I'll be working, so I won't get to watch. To me, it's too fine a hair to split the two weeks and time to leave this in the article space. Dloh  cierekim  14:26, 25 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Re-direct to the Baltimore Orioles minor league players page like it was before. I'm not sure why the edit history had to be re-added...--Yankees10 01:01, 25 August 2010 (UTC)


 * Query Was this moved from userspace to article space due to WP:DRV? Despite the improvements to the article, he still will not meet MLBN till he plays. Moving to article space was premature. Why could the creator not polish and update it there till the subject met notability? Dloh cierekim  01:09, 25 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Yes. I did so because DRV consensus was for the article to get re-evaluated at AfD; that clearly cannot happen for a nonexistent article. -- King of &hearts;   &diams;   &clubs;  &spades; 02:27, 25 August 2010 (UTC)
 * I think the argument was that he meets WP:GNG and as this trumps all other notability guidelines it's irrelevant whether or not he meets WP:MLB/N. Dpmuk (talk) 10:33, 25 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment In looking over the article itself, I note that it mentions, very casually, that he happened to sign a contract for $5.25 million. Even the mlb.com article seems to throw that in as an "oh, by the way" type thing Orioles sign No. 3 overall pick Machado, kind of like "He had eggs and bacon for breakfast, he brushed his teeth, he signed a deal for five million dollars, he watched Judge Judy that night".  He doesn't meet WP:ATHLETE, of course, having never played an MLB game, but I can see arguments in favor of WP:GNG on this one.  Mandsford 15:16, 25 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep. Significant local and national coverage in reliable sources spanning several years. Meets WP:GNG as I interpret it, so failure of WP:NSPORTS shouldn't matter on this occassion. Alzarian16 (talk) 15:19, 25 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep I rarely keep articles on minor league players, but his article currently meet WP:GNG, delete if he never reaches the majors. Secret account 16:55, 25 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep – I think there is some confusion above; the Baltimore Sun link says that he is going to start with a minor-league club. It is exceedingly rare for an MLB draft pick to go straight to his Major League team, and it doesn't sound like that's happening here. I don't think it matters as much as some others might, though. Even though he doesn't meet athlete notability guidelines yet, there's clearly enough coverage in reliable sources to meet the general notability guideline. The coverage isn't all locally-based, either; articles from USA Today and the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette are already utilized as references.  Giants2008  ( 27 and counting ) 03:16, 26 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Baseball-related deletion discussions.  -- • Gene93k (talk) 14:54, 26 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Sportspeople-related deletion discussions.  -- • Gene93k (talk) 14:54, 26 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Merge to Baltimore Orioles minor league players. Spanneraol (talk) 16:38, 26 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep, easily meets WP:GNG on its own. -Hit bull, win steak(Moo!) 14:08, 27 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Merge to Baltimore Orioles minor league players. His notability is questionable.  He'll be forgotten if he turns out to be a bust. --Muboshgu (talk) 19:42, 28 August 2010 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.