Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Mansour Zandynahad


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The result was delete. The assessment of the sources in the article not providing notability has not been countered sufficiently. Daniel (talk) 03:13, 20 January 2021 (UTC)

Mansour Zandynahad

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Contested PROD. Baristas aren't often notable enough for Wikipedia articles and I'm not convinced that this man is an exception. Not one of the articles used as references shows significant coverage of him as an individual, just passing mentions. I did a search in English and in Persian and couldn't find anything better. In fact, I think that the editor has done very well to find the sources that they did but, sadly, none of them show enough coverage as he is always just mentioned briefly alongside many other competitors in a latte art championship. Spiderone 17:43, 23 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Iran-related deletion discussions.  Spiderone  17:43, 23 December 2020 (UTC)
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 * Keep Thanks to dear spiderone user, according to Wikipedia artists and athletes qualify for notability, they should have national, asian or world championship place record to be notable for Wikipedia. however most news are Persian news and also interviews are from Top Persian Tv show as like "Manoto Tv or Mehr News Agency" and i tried to  gather most popular news from his careers . on this article also we can find world ranking documents which publishs on world latte art championship federation websites .according to the another popular baristas like 'Paul Bassett','Fritz Storm' , 'Gwilym Davies (barista)'..etc. , we can help this article to improve and keep it. however again i'll add another notable references from Persian and English news to this article Preddis (talk) 18:41, 23 December 2020 (UTC)
 * At first glance, none of those three look notable either. It seems that their main claim to fame is winning the World Barista Championship, which might make them inherently notable and might mean they can bypass GNG essentially. Has Zandynahad won the World Barista Championship? Spiderone  19:18, 23 December 2020 (UTC)
 * he won national, Asian and Middle East latte art championship from 2014 to 2017 and he got 7th place in world latte art championship and according to another wikipedia articles and wikipdia term ,therefrore i think we can keep it and help this article to improve Preddis (talk) 20:49, 23 December 2020 (UTC)
 * winning a national latte art competition doesn't make someone inherently notable. Please can you provide sources that show that he passes the guidelines for biographies as outlined in WP:BIO? In particular WP:BASIC? Spiderone  21:44, 23 December 2020 (UTC)


 * Source analysis -

Spiderone 09:07, 24 December 2020 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Missvain (talk) 03:45, 31 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Question - has anyone got even one source showing significant coverage of Zandynahad? Spiderone  11:42, 2 January 2021 (UTC)


 * Strong keep. Clearly notable per all the reliable independent sources provided. Aymatth2 (talk) 16:21, 2 January 2021 (UTC)
 * - please can you confirm which source(s) from the article show a passing of GNG? Aside from a video on Iran Latte Art, nothing else provides more than a trivial name check and my understanding of GNG is that name checks don't amount to a GNG pass. I would also argue that Iran Latte Art is a non-independent source since they would have an interest in promoting latte artists, in my view. Spiderone  23:04, 2 January 2021 (UTC)
 * You could argue that the Louvre is a poor source of information on French art because they have an interest in promoting French art, Golf Digest is a poor source for golf, and so on. But limiting sources to those that know nothing about the subject would be going too far. Latte art is an important creative field, and the subject is a leading figure who has been noted by many sources. Aymatth2 (talk) 00:37, 3 January 2021 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Delete since per the very good analysis provided above, not even one of the sources meets the requirement that a source needs to have to add towards passing GNG. All articles must pass GNG, this one does not.John Pack Lambert (talk) 20:30, 5 January 2021 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  Onel 5969  TT me 03:05, 8 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete. I agree with Spiderone’s analysis of the sources. There are awards for all sorts of things that don’t support notability, even though they will get covered in specialist trade press and local media. Mccapra (talk) 05:21, 8 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep the analyses of the references are not completely correct . as a sample, the reference from manoto verified News and Tv show YouTube channel, is the full interview and biography of whole the Mansour Zandynahad's Carres and Life . and according to the Persian news on the references , you can approve notability of the Iran national , Asian , and Middle East latte art championship's winner. he is also got 7th place of the world championship . Preddis (talk) 14:19, 8 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Please do not vote twice. If winning the Iran national latte art championship makes you notable, please point me to the Wikipedia guideline that supports that. Spiderone  14:30, 8 January 2021 (UTC)
 * yes of course, winner of the Asian and Middle east championship and 7th of the World is notable . the references are supports the notability according to the .also the manually analyzed references are not accurate too . please let them to vote about notability and reference  Preddis (talk) 15:02, 8 January 2021 (UTC)
 * "Significant coverage" addresses the topic directly and in detail, so that no original research is needed to extract the content. Significant coverage is more than a trivial mention, but it does not need to be the main topic of the source material. as per WP:SIGCOV - can this be said about the sourcing for Zandynahad? Spiderone  16:07, 8 January 2021 (UTC)


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