Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Manu militari


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete. The only strong argument here is WP:DICDEF, which is pretty clear. Jayjg (talk) 06:48, 7 August 2011 (UTC)

Manu militari

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This is a dictionary definition. We already have this covered in Wiktionary. The article's author suggests that it's notable because it has a long history of use, but I don't see that as a valid argument. The article about the rapper (Manu Militari (rapper)) should be the primary topic. The term can be covered by a hatnote pointing to Wiktionary. Michig (talk) 08:56, 30 July 2011 (UTC)


 * Redirect to Wiktionary: Something told me that this discussion had something to do with the rapper. I stand with my point that Manu militari is a war term with a long history of use in human societies (well, I'd set the starting point to when Latin was invented). I'm sure the rapper is a great artist (despite never hearing from him), but, considering the several other Latin term stub articles, Manu militari should not be deleted. Nonetheless, if you go on a massive AfD run for many of these Latin term stub articles, then I would not oppose you deleting them. Best of wishes.-- MarshalN20 | T a l k 14:22, 30 July 2011 (UTC)
 * This discussion has nothing to do with the rapper. It is solely about this article. I mentioned the rapper because that was the article that was here originally and because if we do need to cover this term it can be covered by a link to Wiktionary. I'm not planning a 'massive AfD run' either - I just brought this one article to AFD. --Michig (talk) 15:34, 30 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Considering you're not planning on going on an AfD for other Latin terms, and that articles such as Ex facie and Ex nunc have a place in Wikipedia, this just further supports my point that Manu military should not be deleted.-- MarshalN20 | T a l k 16:14, 30 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Again, we are just discussing this article here.--Michig (talk) 16:18, 30 July 2011 (UTC)
 * I am establishing ground for this article by demonstrating the existence of similar articles. Why are you so interested in deleting an article with barely a few days of life? You're not even allowing other editors to contribute information for it.-- MarshalN20 | T a l k 19:28, 30 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Pointing to "the existence of similar articles" isn't a good argument here. This is not an encyclopedia article - that's why I think it should be deleted. Perhaps you could concentrate your efforts on coming up with some sensible arguments for keeping this rather than constantly trying to find a hidden agenda here.--Michig (talk) 21:44, 30 July 2011 (UTC)
 * You're basically trying to do a speedy deletion of an article whose only "problem" was replacing some rapper named Manu Military. I would agree to having this article redirect or link to the Wiktionary entry, and leave "Manu Military (rapper)" as it is. Even the wiktionary definition of the actual term "Manu military" is more notable than a relatively unknown rapper.-- MarshalN20 | T a l k 15:54, 31 July 2011 (UTC)


 * Delete per WP:DICDEF. I do think, though, that there is a valid issue here regarding the Latin term as such vs. its use as the stage name of a rapper.  A possibly analogous situation (which I'm not sure I like in its current form) would be Facts on the ground vs. Facts on the Ground (book).   Rich wales (talk · contribs) 04:24, 1 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Comment. Right, even if this ends up getting deleted, it should still be the primary topic as a redirect to Wiktionary. "Manu Militari (rapper)" should retain its current article title, and be a secondary topic for when someone looks for "Manu militari". In my case, when I looked up Manu militari, I was hoping to find something about the Latin term and not the rapper (whom I had never heard about prior to my search).-- MarshalN20 | T a l k 04:53, 1 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Law-related deletion discussions.  — • Gene93k (talk) 15:27, 1 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Military-related deletion discussions.  — • Gene93k (talk) 15:27, 1 August 2011 (UTC)


 * Redirect to wikitionary WP:DICDEF.  EBE 123  talkContribs 22:34, 1 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Weak keep the current article is quite poor, but I think this might be a valid encyclopedic topic and not just a dictionary definition. The wiki article and the wikt:manu militari mention that the term has been widely used, including major historical persons such as Julius Ceasar. More sources would be needed on the usage and if the term has had clear legal definition (in treaties etc.). MKFI (talk) 11:24, 3 August 2011 (UTC)
 * I agree with you, but it would really take someone dedicated on the subject to expand the article. Ideally, the article should remain but with a note that a wiktionary definition exists. In the worst case, the article should be a redirect to Wiktionary. In any case, the "Manu Military (rapper)" should not be the primary topic.-- MarshalN20 | T a l k 00:23, 4 August 2011 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.