Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Manyang


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete. Mark Arsten (talk) 04:01, 12 August 2013 (UTC)

Manyang

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"Just because it exists doesn't mean it is notable".

This article does not appear to meet Wikipedia's general notability guidelines. I have reviewed the sources given in the article and have found the following:
 * Source 1 is a a dead link to a .biz website— as such, there is no way to verify its content or existence, and so cannot be used to establish a claim of notability. That aside, a .biz website would not have been likely to qualify as an independent reliable third party source anyhow.
 * Source 2 is a link to a personal web page about ju jitsu, not about "Manyang".
 * Source 3 was probably a link to a page created by the European Perguruan Pencak Silat Manyang training group in the Netherlands— they rent out a gymnasium there and hold classes, and the link likely discussed the origins of "Manyang"... though we cannot know for sure since it now turns up a "page cannot be found" error instead, and seems unlikely to have been an independent source of information in any case.
 * Source 4 appears to be a link to another Dutch "Manyang" fansite— though this time the page does exist, it does not appear to be an independent source and does not appear to have editorial oversight (much as any fansite).
 * Source 5 was a link to another Dutch Pencak Silat web page on Manyang, but it, too, now turns up a "page cannot be found" error.
 * Source 6 is a link to a paper written by an anthropology Ph.D. candidate on Manyang— it is a paper that was never published, and as such constitutes an instance of original research which cannot be used to establish a claim of notability.
 * Source 7 is a link to an article about Pencak Silat, which is a legitimate notable martial arts style from Indonesia, but the article does not actually mention "Manyang" anywhere.
 * Source 8 is a link to a Lycos members personal web page, which is also no longer in existence and wouldn't have been likely to have qualified as reliable or independent if it were.

I then conducted a search for independent reliable published sources on the subject of this article, and found nothing to suggest its notability (it has been mentioned on the Internet in a few places, but nothing appears to have been published on this art form). If it actually does exist (which it seems it does) and actually is a legitimate Indonesian martial arts form (which, as far as I can tell, is less certain), it has yet to attract the attention of a reliable independent source— on these grounds, the article's subject seems to fail to meet the general notability guidelines, and therefore I propose it be Deleted. KDS 4444  Talk  03:30, 5 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Indonesia-related deletion discussions. Northamerica1000(talk) 06:16, 5 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Martial arts-related deletion discussions. Northamerica1000(talk) 06:17, 5 August 2013 (UTC)


 * Delete - May be notable on the Madura Island in Indonesia, but doesn't have the broad, non-niche coverage to pass WP:WPMA/N or WP:GNG. Luchuslu (talk) 12:51, 6 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Merge into Styles of silat I didn't find the independent sources necessary to show this should have its own article, but I think merging is preferable to deleting when there's an obvious place to merge.Mdtemp (talk) 16:29, 6 August 2013 (UTC)
 * I am not certain I agree (nor am I certain that I disagree)... It seems to me that if the subject of the article fails notability, then it shouldn't have even a redirect.  On the other hand, I acknowledge that this art may someday become notable and worthy of a standalone article-- would that justify a merge rather than a delete?  Honestly, I do not know.   KDS 4444   Talk  06:00, 7 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Comment After its own AfD discussion Styles of silat was just reduced to a listing of articles so merging would not work - perhaps a redirect to Pencak Silat would be more appropriate than merge.Peter Rehse (talk) 08:40, 7 August 2013 (UTC)
 * The styles of silat was a full article when Mdtemp made his comment (someone restored the part removed at AfD). I don't think a redirect to Pencak silat is a good idea because that article doesn't have sections on individual styles.  I don't see any good redirect targets. Jakejr (talk) 00:57, 12 August 2013 (UTC)


 * Delete Notability has not been established.Peter Rehse (talk) 08:44, 7 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Delete per above. DavidLeighEllis (talk) 22:38, 11 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Delete There's nothing to show this style meets WP:MANOTE. Jakejr (talk) 00:57, 12 August 2013 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.