Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/María Inés Ortiz


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The result was   keep. -- RoySmith (talk) 01:02, 3 February 2014 (UTC)

María Inés Ortiz

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Article is a memorial to a non-notable military nurse. While it is unfortunate that she was the first American nurse to die in combat during Operation Iraqi Freedom, we don't keep biographies for people "notable" for just one event. damiens.rf 18:22, 24 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Keep - Oh my God, here we have the first Puerto Rican Nurse to die in combat who was posthumously awarded the Bronze Star Medal (one of the highest military decorations for heroism). Plus, she is notable enough to have a plaque placed at the entrance of the Forward Operating Base Prosperity clinic honoring her memory. Tony the Marine (talk) 00:02, 25 January 2014 (UTC)
 * The Bronze Star is "one of the highest military decorations for heroism"?! Please don't make me laugh! The Bronze Star is so low it wouldn't even class as a medal in many countries. -- Necrothesp (talk) 16:30, 27 January 2014 (UTC)
 * The Bronze Star does not rise to the level of a 'notable award' as defined in WP:SOLDIER. Multiple Silver Stars would clear the bar. The Bronze does not. A plaque is not any indication of notability at all. "The first Puerto Rican nurse to die in combat" might be a claim of notability - if the WP:GNG as articulated in WP:NPERSON is met. Is it? - The Bushranger One ping only 12:36, 28 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Keep - A burial in Arlington National Cemetery is rarely conceded. A burial at Arlington with full military honors is even more rare. Publication of this event in the Associated Press, plus a biography of one's life, is evidence of notability. Taken all together, I believe that notability is established here. Sarason (talk) 01:24, 25 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Delete Fails WP:MILPEOPLE. The burial at Arlington sounds like identity politics to me.  Plenty of servicemembers have been KIA and/or have received the Bronze Star.  Until WP:MILHIST says otherwise, it doesn't meet criteria.  Chris Troutman  ( talk ) 22:43, 26 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Keep - Any claim of lack of notability would be based on ignorance of the facts. Captain Ortiz is notable because (1)She has an Army medical clinic named after her; (2) She was awarded the Bronze Star Medal; (3) Because, contrary to the nominator's statement that Ortiz is "notable for just one event", the Army said that she "left her mark on Our Nation, the country of Iraq, the Army medical department, the Army nurse corps, and all the soldiers that have served with her." Major General Gale Pollock was talking about Ortiz's life before she died, not during or after her death as the nominator is mistakingly implying. Clearly this is a case where the nomination has been based on limited, if not poor, information. Mercy11 (talk) 22:47, 26 January 2014 (UTC)
 * While some of your contributions have been well-intentioned, "the problem is with some others, and you insist in not following policy. So please, follow policy just as I have to follow policy - we all do and it will do us both good." The applicable policy is WP:MILPEOPLE.  Chris Troutman  ( talk ) 23:32, 26 January 2014 (UTC)
 * WP:MILPEOPLE is an essay, not a policy. The policy that applies here is WP:NOT and WP:INDISCRIMINATE. &mdash;Ahnoneemoos (talk) 13:19, 27 January 2014 (UTC)
 * WP:ONLYESSAY, however it's true it shouldn't be referred to as policy - articulation of long-established WP:CONSENSUS would be the correct description. - The Bushranger One ping only 12:36, 28 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Still curious to see anything about her that is not dependent on the unfortunate event of her death. The article does not covers that. Neither does the keep votes above. Does any reliable source do that? --damiens.rf 09:52, 27 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Mercy11, the Bronze Star award offers no notability whatsoever. Neither does having a clinic named after someone. Your comment in (3) is mistaken because the "leaving her mark" referred to, aside from being flowery feel-good language, is the WP:ONEEVENT. - The Bushranger One ping only 12:36, 28 January 2014 (UTC)


 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of United States of America-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 00:45, 27 January 2014 (UTC)
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 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Puerto Rico-related deletion discussions. &mdash;Ahnoneemoos (talk) 14:33, 29 January 2014 (UTC)


 * Comment. I'm not sure about this. The first American military nurse to die in combat since the Vietnam War may make her notable, but many of the other claims are just not enough for notability. The first Puerto Rican nurse to die in combat? Are we also to have articles on the first Italian-American artilleryman to die in combat? The first Alaskan motor mechanic to die in combat? The Bronze Star? Fourth-level decoration dished out like sweets. Not high enough for any sort of notability. We require a first-level decoration or multiple lower level decorations for notability. A plaque on a building? Oh please! Eulogies? Pretty much anyone who dies in combat gets those, and naturally her gender and ethnicity are going to play a role here. Borderline notability at best based on her status as a rare nurse killed in combat (although she barely qualifies, as she wasn't in combat herself - she was unlucky enough to be hit while walking through the base), and that's all. -- Necrothesp (talk) 16:40, 27 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Comment - 1. Being the first American military nurse to die in combat since the Vietnam War does make her notable. 2. The Bronze Star Medal is the fourth-highest individual military award. It may be awarded for acts of heroism, acts of merit, or meritorious service in a combat zone. 3. The U.S. military does not place plaques on its buildings as an eulogy. It does not honor just anyone who has died in combat. Only those who are highly notable for their actions are honored, otherwise there would be hundreds of thousands plaques all over the place. Tony the Marine (talk) 21:41, 27 January 2014 (UTC)
 * I have no idea what point you're making with point 2. Do you honestly think we should have articles on everyone who's been awarded the Bronze Star? We regularly delete articles on individuals awarded the Distinguished Service Cross or Navy Cross, for crying out loud. The Bronze Star is two levels below that. As to point 3, there are millions of commemorative plaques all over the world to people who wouldn't be considered notable enough for Wikipedia. It doesn't prove anything just because this one was put up by the US military. -- Necrothesp (talk) 09:32, 28 January 2014 (UTC)
 * (1) Nope. It doesn't. (2). The minimum award to confer notability for being awarded would be multiple Silver Stars. When it comes to notability the Bronze Star is utterly irrelevant. (3) A plaque confers no notability whatsoever. - The Bushranger One ping only 12:36, 28 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Comment - Maybe there are millions of commemorative plaques all over the world, however this not the case. The United States Army named a clinic (building) in her honor and that is where the plaque was placed. The United States Army does not name a "building" after just anyone. This is a long lasting recognition and honor which is within the notability polices of Wikipedia. See:  Tony the Marine (talk) 17:56, 1 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Keep Sources found in the article showing significant coverage of the subject, including the Washington Post article,  are enough to meet our general notability guideline.--Jmundo (talk) 20:53, 29 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Keep A person can be notable either locally, nationally or internationally. Just because a person is not known internationally does not mean she is not notable. She is considered a heroe and notable among the people of Puerto Rico. Antonio Martin (talk) 00:53, 31 January 2014 (UTC)
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