Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Marathon Sports (retailer) (2nd nomination)


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The result was   keep. L Faraone  00:39, 31 May 2013 (UTC)

Marathon Sports (retailer)
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 * fails WP:CORP lack of significant coverage in multiple reliable secondary sources - the only significant source is BusinessWeek, the rest do not add to notability per:
 * WP:MILL and WP:LOCAL seem to cover this topic - no assertion of notability there's no assertion yet that the business is notable itself for an enduring topic worthy of an encyclopedia article, with not enough sources for details to grown more than a stub. The business is notable for what? 7 stores?
 * local business promo "Best of Boston" sources audience is for WP:LOCAL audience so does not add to notability
 * BusinessWeek source may provide some indication of what is important but we only have that single source WP:WHYN
 * WP:INHERITORG notability isn't inherited from the bombing event coincidentally located outside it
 * Problems with the Original AfD corrected here (with basis for new AfD discussed here with closing admin) 1. weak nomination against no criteria 2. was significantly different promo article (now bare stub) 3. relisted but still only had 3 !votes against poor criteria (nom, creator and 1 other) 4. New AfD to gather wider audience. Widefox ; talk 08:52, 15 May 2013 (UTC)
 * 'Keep - Article needs more detail and to remain neutral
 * Mentioned in Newsweek - Volume 89, Issues 18-26 - Page 413 (1977)
 * Runner's World - Volume 16, Issues 1-6 - Page 68 (1981)
 * Coaching Review - Volume 8 - Page 36 (1985)
 * BusinessWeek - Issues 2750-2758 - Page 52 (1982)Whoisjohngalt (talk) 13:39, 15 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Comment: from what I can make out, of those 4 links, 1 is a duplicate and 3 are incidental mentions (which do not count for notability per nom WP:CORP). Widefox ; talk 22:13, 15 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Massachusetts-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 13:57, 15 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Business-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 13:57, 15 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Sports-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 13:57, 15 May 2013 (UTC)


 * Delete - Not enough independent coverage for notability. --Hirolovesswords (talk) 14:21, 15 May 2013 (UTC)


 * Keep - Boston Magazine's annual "Best of Boston" issue is the longest-running and most reputable of the local "Best of" competitions, and the magazine has awarded Marathon Sports its annual "Best of Boston" award, in the "Running Shop" category, for the last 13 years in a row. (I just called the store at 617-267-4774 and they confirmed 13 years straight, and it is also on the store's web site here). This has led Boston Magazine to induct Marathon Sports into the magazine's "Hall of Fame", in that same "Running Shop" category. I can only find online sources for the 2011 and 2012 issues of Boston Magazine, here:
 * Boston Magazine "Best of Boston 2011" issue, Running Shop category
 * Boston Magazine "Best of Boston 2012" issue, Running Shop category
 * Marathon Sports is active and prominent in the local running community:
 * Local charities see here and here
 * Coaching/injury prevention education programs for local high school and collegiate track & field teams see here
 * More general educational clinics see here
 * Wednesday run groups see here
 * The store claims to have implemented a foot and biomechanical analysis in the shoe selection process - what they call "The Right Fit" - "in early 1992, thereby being an early pioneer of the gait assessment component now prevalent among most running and walking specialty stores across the nation". I can not find a source for this, maybe someone else can.
 * IceCreamForEveryone (talk) 16:04, 22 May 2013 (UTC)
 * see above (WP:LOCAL) why bostonmagazine may be irrelevant in discussion of notability, and marathonsports site itself is a primary source which is irrelevant for notability Widefox ; talk 13:01, 24 May 2013 (UTC)


 * Keep - This business seems notable due to the reputable and reliable media mentions; however, the article is in pretty poor shape. It'll take some bold actions to bring this up to par, but I do feel that the subject merits and article.  --Jackson Peebles (talk) 01:38, 23 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Can you expand which sources meet WP:CORP? (I'm assuming you agree bostonmagazine is WP:LOCAL ? so does not count for notability) Widefox ; talk 13:01, 24 May 2013 (UTC)
 * As stated above, there is some coverage by Newsweek and Runner's World. Now, I also realize that these are mentions in passing, but I view this as an indication that the article should be developed, not destroyed.  --Jackson Peebles (talk) 21:22, 24 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Incidental mentions do not count for notability per second sentence of WP:CORP. If you favour a compromise like WP:USERFY to give it a chance to find sources, please propose as I believe if I did it may be seen as disruptive Widefox ; talk 17:51, 28 May 2013 (UTC)


 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, L Faraone  00:18, 23 May 2013 (UTC)

 Comment by nom : please read WP:LOCAL and base on the actual satisfaction against WP:CORP as per nom (to avoid a WP:LOCALCONSENSUS). I'd also like to relist to gather wider participation - and per WP:AFD - WP:AVOIDCOI:
 * currently have limited participation outside the creator User:Whoisjohngalt +
 * another local editor IceCreamForEveryone out of 18 pages edited, 3 articles were created by User:Whoisjohngalt / overlap (nothing implied by that, I'm assuming just local editors)
 * +2 other editors Widefox ; talk 17:51, 28 May 2013 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.