Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Marc-Andre Bergeron (taekwondo)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. There is a consensus here that all of the articles except for Marc-Andre Bergeron (taekwondo) should be deleted, but certainly no consensus that the Marc-Andre Bergeron should be deleted so closing as Keep for that one article. Davewild (talk) 20:57, 6 July 2015 (UTC)

Marc-Andre Bergeron (taekwondo)

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Non-notable martial artist. One of a number of additions whose only claim to fame appears to being named to a team representing Canada at a future event where participation itself does not confer notability. Peter Rehse (talk) 11:56, 16 June 2015 (UTC)
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I am also nominating the following related pages for the same reason:Peter Rehse (talk) 15:10, 16 June 2015 (UTC)
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 * Delete all No reliable sources. Ashbeckjonathan (talk) 00:11, 17 June 2015 (UTC) I Change my vote to keep all. The two users below have legimate reasons. If someone would strike my previous vote that would be great. Ashbeckjonathan (talk) 00:34, 19 June 2015 (UTC)
 * I struck the initial !vote to prevent any confusion for the closer of this discussion. North America1000 02:55, 24 June 2015 (UTC)

Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 00:59, 18 June 2015 (UTC)
 * KEEP According to the Martial Arts notability guideline: Repeated medalist (as an adult black belt, i.e. 1st dan equivalent or higher rank) in another significant event; - (e.g. competitors from multiple nations or significant national tournament, not an internal school champion). All of these athletes are multiple medalists at other significant events (such as the Pan Am Championships, Commonwealth Championships, various opens etc. So they do meet notability.
 * As has been pointed out in previous discussions, WP:MANOTE is not an official guideline. Although it can be used in AFD discussions, it is trumped by WP:NSPORTS which these competitors fail.Mdtemp (talk) 17:04, 2 July 2015 (UTC)


 * Keep: Notable taekwondo competitor, ranked internationally, will participate at the 2015 Pan American Games, meet guideline. Same for all the other taekwondo practitioners mentioned above. TheGreenGiant23 (talk) 00:30, 19 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Comment Competing at the Pan American Games doesn't meet any notability criteria. Medaling at events that are not the highest level is not enough to meet WP:NSPORTS. Recent confirmation of this can be found at the discussions at Articles for deletion/Ruebyn Richards, Articles for deletion/Brianne Barry, and Articles for deletion/Morteza Rezaei Ghaleh. These show consensus that winning a medal at the European championships, Francophone Games, or Asian championships is not enough to show notability. Jakejr (talk) 20:16, 23 June 2015 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Keep Bergeron, delete the rest Bergeron is currently ranked 5th in the world in the 187 pound division so he has had enough success to support a claim of notability, despite losing in the round of 16 at this year's worlds. That's not true of the others, most of whom were eliminated in the round of 32 at the last world championships. Neither that nor participating in the Pam-Am games is sufficient to show notability. Christopher Iliesco had the most successful run at this year's worlds, but that only moved him to 24th in the world rankings and that alone is not high enough to support a claim of notability (and it shows he hasn't yet had enough success). None of these articles meet WP:GNG and success at lesser tournaments is not enough to meet WP:NSPORTS. Jakejr (talk) 14:14, 20 June 2015 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America1000 02:55, 24 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete all, except keep Bergeron None of these individuals meet WP:GNG or appear at first glance to meet WP:NSPORTS. However, Bergeron's ranking in the top five shows enough notability for me.  As for the others, merely competing at the world championships with 1500-2000 others is not grounds for notability nor is winning medals at lower level events. Papaursa (talk) 01:06, 29 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Only Keep Bergeron None of the others meet WP:GNG or WP:NSPORTS. It's kinda funny that the main article for this AfD is the only one that should be kept.Mdtemp (talk) 16:54, 2 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete All: Sorry, but Bergeron's alleged world ranking notwithstanding, he still doesn't meet the GNG -- and neither do any of the others. All that world ranking means is a claim of notability, which means a speedy isn't appropriate.  Nha Trang  Allons! 11:54, 6 July 2015 (UTC)


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