Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Marcel Cartier


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The result was keep. Yunshui 雲 水 09:19, 21 May 2020 (UTC)

Marcel Cartier

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WP:GNG, WP:ANYBIO. I can't find any coverage of him, doesn't appear that his albums or books have gotten any reviews. – Thjarkur (talk) 20:11, 5 May 2020 (UTC)
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 * Delete per nom. Some, if not all, of his books are published by self-publishing companies. I did find one Publishers Weekly review, but there do not appear to be enough RS. Caro7200 (talk) 20:43, 5 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep I am new to wikipedia and this is my first article, I may have published it prematurely but I do not think it should be deleted.
 * Following Thjarkur's advice I have found more sources from independent sources. These include two interviews with Al Mayadeen news and an intervew and a review of his work by I Am Hip-Hop magazine.
 * User Caro7200 said all of his books may be self published but this is incorrect. The citation for his first book gives you the publisher John Hunt Publishing, which is an imprint of Zer0Books. His second book Berxwedan is self published using a collection of articles and essays on Kurdish nationalism originally published in the now defunct TheRegion.org.
 * Today I have attempted to fix the issues you have both raised and I will be continously improving it.
 * BulgeUwU (talk) 08:53, 8 May 2020 (UTC)


 * Strong delete a bunch of self-published works and a low level music career do not come even close to making a person notable. We really need to make all new articles go through the article creation process.John Pack Lambert (talk) 19:55, 8 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Creator note In accordance with the WP:GNG I have included multiple secondary sources from various news outlets and music magazines and similar sources.
 * Marcel Cartier meets both the WP:ANYBIO for receiving a significant honour and the WP:AUTHOR for a significant collective body of work.
 * I feel as if John Pack Lambert) and ( Caro7200) both skimmed the article before deciding it should be deleted. The person featured in the article only published two books, one through an imprint of Zer0Books and the other a self published collection of articles originally published in TheRegion, yet both editors said that most if not all the author's books are self published despite the citations I've added to both the publisher's website and a review of Serkeftin by Publisher's Weekly. I think they mistakenly read the older version of the page.
 * BulgeUwU (talk) 22:24, 9 May 2020 (UTC)


 * Thanks for finding these sources, hadn't come up when I Googled him. I am going to list the independent sources here:
 * Morning Star review – Good source. Coverage of his book.
 * Publisher Weekly review – Good source. Coverage of his book.
 * GreenLeft – Seemingly a good source. Significant coverage of him.
 * FAZ – Good source. One paragraph about him when discussing a report he did.
 * Almayadeen – Good source. Live interview.
 * IamHipHop – Can't quite see whether this is a reliable source.
 * He's definitely not a majorly notable individual, but he miiight just pass WP:GNG. I am neutral, leaning weak keep as I do think the sourcing available is very much on the weaker end. (I'll also say, Zer0Books's branding makes them look like a self-publishing service)
 * – Thjarkur (talk) 09:31, 11 May 2020 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Keep With current sources, he can slip through GNG and SIGCOV, just barely so. MistyGraceWhite (talk) 18:43, 12 May 2020 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  qedk ( t  愛  c ) 06:51, 13 May 2020 (UTC)

Creator note The editor who nominated this article for deletion did so when the article was prematurely published and has since changed their mind and calls for a weak keep. Following their advice (thankyou very much btw) I corrected the article to better follow the WP:GNG and WP:ANYBIO criteria. The only other two editors who called for a delete had not read the article very closely and mistakenly believed that this person's works were all self-published, I believe they may have read an older version of the page. In the meanwhile before the admin makes their decision I will be making further improvements. BulgeUwU (talk) 05:08, 15 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep as per the reliable sources added to the article and detailed above the subject seems to be notable as an author and passes WP:GNG imv Atlantic306 (talk) 00:19, 17 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep based on sourcing that seems to meet SIGCOV, but worth noting that TeleSUR is a deprecated source per WP:RS/PS. Naypta ☺ &#124; ✉ talk page &#124; 20:18, 20 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Comment, since you have changed your stance to neutral/weak keep, are you willing to withdraw your nomination so that this can be closed? Sulfurboy (talk) 23:06, 20 May 2020 (UTC)


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