Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Marcel Wantz


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The result was delete and redirect to Art Concret. Spartaz Humbug! 08:53, 27 January 2018 (UTC)

Marcel Wantz

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Fails WP:BIO1E. Known for signing the manifesto in Art Concret (which he did since he co-lodged with Jean Hélion). The same, not too long, blurb about him is repeated in multiple sources. Subsequent to 1930 he was a proof reader and active in trade unions - not grounds for notability. Icewhiz (talk) 14:04, 3 January 2018 (UTC)


 * Keep I oppose the proposal to delete this article on the grounds that his name is included in every single reference book of the many that mention the Art Concret group. In addition, there are fuller details in the Maitron biographical dictionary, to which I do not have a subscription. His name also occurs in histories of Le Monde, so he is not remembered only for his connection with the art manifesto, as was claimed. The strong point I would make in favour of retaining the article is that an encyclopaedia is the natural place to turn for information about a subject so commonly mentioned. It may be that Wantz is not so high profile as textbooks make him seem, but unless there is an article on him, readers will simply assume that WP is falling down on its job and continue to redlink his name in articles where he is mentioned. We're dealing with something of a methodological paradox here. Wantz is notable enough to require an article and it is only on reading about him that one learns that he is not ultimately notable! There are similar instances of this which form a precedent. Daniel Dancer, although the subject of numerous articles when accounts of misers were in vogue, ultimately owes his place in textbooks to mention of those accounts in a novel by Charles Dickens. Sweetpool50 (talk) 14:17, 3 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Dancer is actually not a good example as he meets GNG for coverage of his entire life. It might make sense to have Wantz redirect to Art Concret.Icewhiz (talk) 14:22, 3 January 2018 (UTC)
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 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Keep The article is fine as a stub and it is properly sourced. For readers interested in the history of non-representational art the manifesto is an important document and having some information on Wantz, as one of the signatories, is helpful. Mduvekot (talk) 14:23, 3 January 2018 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Optakeover (U)(T)(C) 16:08, 10 January 2018 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ansh 666 03:07, 18 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Merge to Art Concret. Nothing would be lost thereby. bd2412  T 18:58, 25 January 2018 (UTC)


 * Editor appears not to have read the Art Concret article, which is mainly about the contents of the review, to which Wantz did not contribute. The information about his subsequent career and political activity would also be off-topic there. Sweetpool50 (talk) 20:28, 25 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Then leave out the parts that are not relevant to Art Concret. Otherwise, delete. bd2412  T 03:25, 27 January 2018 (UTC)


 * Speedy delete per WP:A7. There is no indication of importance in the article. It does not tell us what this person even did. Was he an artist? Something else?  Sandstein   21:10, 25 January 2018 (UTC)
 * The article does say he was scarcely an artist and worked as a typographer. Mduvekot (talk) 22:22, 25 January 2018 (UTC)


 *  Delete I dont see a person "set up or arrange or conduct" meetings for notable magazine or was a friend of/associate with some artist make a person notable as notability is not based on association or inherited for relationships does not confer nobility WP:INVALIDBIO. Delete based on WP:A7.  CASSIOPEIA(talk) 15:19, 26 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete for failing notability guidelines. Above all WP:GNG but he misses the mark as an artist (he was not one), a journalist (chief proof reader isn't even an editorial position), and politics (not elected to a notable position). Ifnord (talk) 17:57, 26 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Redirect to Art Concret, the only subject on which he seems to have any notability, per a simple Google search. On his own, he fails WP:GNG. TimTempleton (talk) (cont)  00:11, 27 January 2018 (UTC)


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