Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Marcelina Vahekeni


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   no consensus. Spartaz Humbug! 12:26, 20 September 2014 (UTC)

Marcelina Vahekeni

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fails WP:GNG. No independent sources for this BLP The Banner talk 12:07, 1 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom - No evidence of any notability, Only crap I've found are all FB/Twitter related. – Davey 2010 •  (talk)  14:03, 1 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Africa-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 01:03, 3 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Fashion-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 01:03, 3 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 01:03, 3 September 2014 (UTC)


 * Procedural keep - Represented her country at the indisputably notable Miss Universe. That is usually sufficient for a stub article. Mabalu (talk) 09:57, 3 September 2014 (UTC)
 * A simple Google Test gives a number of less than 15 thousands hits, including doubles, related and social media. That boiled down to a massive 250 unique hits. The Banner talk 10:45, 3 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, NorthAmerica1000 10:04, 9 September 2014 (UTC)


 * Redirect to Miss Angola, along with four or five others who are in the same boat (i.e. did not place in the Miss Universe contest). Clarityfiend (talk) 10:59, 9 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Procedural keep is a good description. This slew of nominations looks like an attack on this traditional claim to notability.  The amount of coverage every one of these contestants get, at what is essentially a media event, certainly meets GNG.  I found the LA Times, Seattle P/I and Las Vegas Sun does an individual article on each contestant, much less the celebrity and fashion magazines that do coverage on each contestant.  And to show the WP:BEFORE bad faith nomination of this particular contestant, there is an article I sourced in Time Magazine of her modeling a controversial national costume, apparently missed because the OP didn't bother to look.  I think all of these noms should be Keep wholesale with the same disregard the OP used in making the noms. Trackinfo (talk) 18:21, 9 September 2014 (UTC)
 * FYI: Sockpuppet investigations/Mrdhimas. And instead of throwing with PAs, you better start reading what I wrote before. The Banner talk 20:12, 9 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Are you suggesting that because the article creator/subsequent editors are in cahoots with the pagent that somehow it makes the article irrelevant? There probably are commercial interests involved.  Her modeling career certainly is promoted.  But it would be irresponsible for wikipedia to remove all content that might be supporting commercial interests.  We report facts.  You cannot deny that she won the National title and that she appeared at the World patent.  Commercial and prearranged as that press event is, that does not erase the press coverage she got. Trackinfo (talk) 20:54, 9 September 2014 (UTC)
 * As the notability Guidelines state:
 * In particular, if reliable sources cover the person only in the context of a single event, and if that person otherwise remains, or is likely to remain, a low-profile individual, we should generally avoid having a biographical article on that individual.
 * Wikipedia is a lagging indicator of notability. Just as a lagging economic indicator indicates what the economy was doing in the past, a topic is "notable" in Wikipedia terms only if the outside world has already "taken notice of it". As such, brief bursts of news coverage may not be sufficient signs of notability, while sustained coverage would be, as described by notability of events.
 * The Banner <i style="color:maroon">talk</i> 00:17, 10 September 2014 (UTC)
 * By definition, each of these contestants are notable for two events. 1) their selection as their national winner and 2) their appearance at the Miss Universe pageant. Trackinfo (talk) 08:06, 13 September 2014 (UTC)
 * A preliminary round of an event is not a separate event. <span style="font-family:'Old English Text MT',serif;color:green">The Banner <i style="color:maroon">talk</i> 08:43, 15 September 2014 (UTC)
 * You deleted the comment I posted to your talk page where I explained these are separate National events, not preliminary events. Banner, you choose not to listen. Trackinfo (talk) 18:50, 15 September 2014 (UTC)


 * Keep Why not combine all these identical nominations into one to save time? Or better yet, just stop nominating them.  They have newspapers in their country, and they will give coverage to this in their native language.  If you spoke that language and they had their newspapers and other media online to search, you could find coverage easily.   D r e a m Focus  03:12, 10 September 2014 (UTC)
 * I've only looked at some, but the nomination at Articles for deletion/Anastasia Chernova was absolutely terrible, it throws the rapid-fire bunch of AfDs into total question.--Milowent • <sup style="position:relative">has<span style="position:relative;bottom:-2.0ex;left:-3.2ex;*left:-5.5ex;">spoken 03:33, 10 September 2014 (UTC)


 * Keep: The Journal de Angola cites I added help confirm notability.--Milowent • <sup style="position:relative">has<span style="position:relative;bottom:-2.0ex;left:-3.2ex;*left:-5.5ex;">spoken 05:14, 15 September 2014 (UTC)
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