Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Marcella Martin


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The result was   no consensus. Nakon 06:38, 9 April 2015 (UTC)

Marcella Martin

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Non-notable actress that had a minor role in one significant film. Fails WP:N and WP:NACTOR. The only source provided for the content is user edited (http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=117303222). Google book searches only discuss her briefly in the context of casting Gone with the Wind, and notability is WP:NOTINHERITED. There are a several GWTW actors (such as Cammie King) that have articles but do not really meet the notability criteria themselves i.e. they only had minor parts and are only discussed in relation to GWTW; there could be scope for an article about the "Casting of Gone with the Wind" (along the lines of something like List of recurring actors and actresses in the James Bond film series) which would take in the famous Scarlett_O'Hara, but I don't think individual articles such as this one satisfy our notability criteria. Betty Logan (talk) 23:39, 15 March 2015 (UTC)
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 * Merge. Somebody could start an article Casting of 'Gone With the Wind, using this article as a basis and requesting others to add sections to it. GeorgeLouis (talk) 06:23, 17 March 2015 (UTC)
 * NACTOR criteria: Has had significant roles in multiple notable films, television shows, stage performances, or other productions.

This criteria is certainly fulfilled. Besides her minor but important role in Gone with the Wind, Martin also played big and significant roles in two relevant movies named West of Tombstone and The Man Who Returned to Life, she also had a supporting role in another probably relevant movie and an appearenance in a relevant television show. This criteria is fulfilled. She was also part of an iconic work named Gone with the Wind, and readers are intrested in those actors: When Alicia Rhett died in 2014 (her only movie was Gone with the Wind) her death was published on the websites of every major newspaper, she has an article in 18 languages. Mary Anderson also died in 2014, and the newspapers didn't spoke about her roles in movies like Lifeboat or The Song of Bernadette, they spoke about her non-speaking part in Gone with the Wind. They also sell the dress she wears in the film: 1 There are many actors (like the Munchkins from The Wizard of Oz, Alicia Rhett, Cammie King, Fred Crane) who appeared in only a few works which got classics and they are often better remembered than actors who only numerous films who are mostly forgotten today. --Clibenfoart (talk) 13:37, 17 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Rather than just offering us your opinion will you please provide us with reliable sources that focus on her other roles to establish their signifance? For instance, Sean Connery is forever linked to James Bond but there are plenty of sources that focus on other parts of his career. This would help establish her notability beyond her casting in a minor part in one particular film. Alicia Rhett is also another cast member that is not notable outside of her role in one particular film, and would be better merged into a general casting article where the actual topic would be the casting of Gone with the Wind. Betty Logan (talk) 16:10, 17 March 2015 (UTC)
 * A general casting article would be inconvenient and complicated in comparison to just leaving the article here. The criteria of significant roles in multiple notable films is certainly fulfilled, both films were rather B-movies but released in cinemas, made by a big studio and made by professionals like Lew Landers. Sean Connery is a bad example because 99,9% of the actors on Wikipedia aren't as famous and much-discussed as him. In fact most of those smaller actors like Marcella Martin haven't got a discussion about their roles or a biography. When you take a professional discussion about roles of every actor as a "duty-criteria" you must delete most actor's articles in the Wikipedia. Still she had leading roles/major supporting roles in the relevant films West of Tombstone (where she played the leading lady), The Man Who Returned to Life (where she played one of tree love intrests to the main character) and Voyage to the End of the Universe (where she had a supporting role). Her acting career spanned 30 years and also included theatre work in her home town. --Clibenfoart (talk) 16:33, 17 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Martins name and face even appeared on movie posters besides her work in Gone with the Wind: http://warchild13.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/12/man-who-returned-to-life-the-tm.jpg and https://stevesomething.wordpress.com/category/west-of-tombstone/. This would mean that she was at least somewhat known in Hollywood. There are a lot of bit part actors in the Wikipedia which never recieved that honor. --Clibenfoart (talk) 16:48, 17 March 2015 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, &mdash; Coffee //  have a cup  //  beans  // 01:10, 23 March 2015 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.
 * Delete. I've watched GWTW a number of times, and I have no idea who her character is; obviously not a significant one. Her only two other film credits are for obscure movies. Fails NACTOR by a mile. Clarityfiend (talk) 08:42, 23 March 2015 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America1000 03:42, 31 March 2015 (UTC)
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