Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/March 2024 Polish airspace violation


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was merge‎__EXPECTED_UNCONNECTED_PAGE__ to Violations of non-combatant airspaces during the Russian invasion of Ukraine. If this article already has all of the necessary content Merged to it, this can be converted to a Redirect. Liz Read! Talk! 22:57, 14 April 2024 (UTC)

March 2024 Polish airspace violation

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Not notable. There is not much to say about this event that isn't in the article already. Furthermore, other than the deadly missile explosion in Przewodów in 2022, there have been several other events like these in Poland that we haven't given an article. Airspace violations in Moldova and Romania haven't got their own articles either, and they've been often, specially in Moldova. Simply I don't find this event notable. Super  Ψ   Dro  23:45, 24 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Events, Military, Poland, Russia,  and Ukraine.  Super   Ψ   Dro  23:45, 24 March 2024 (UTC)


 * Support. This seems to fail WP:TENYEARS. Jebiguess (talk) 01:49, 25 March 2024 (UTC)
 * If there is no follow-up report, this article should be merged. In fact, the description in Timeline of the Russian invasion of Ukraine (1 December 2023 – present) is sufficient. 日期20220626 (talk) 02:28, 25 March 2024 (UTC)


 * Keep – Article is sourced by RS, is very easily searchable on Google for dozens of other RS, and is about an event occurring on the same day as article creation and deletion. Nomination again is on the same day (i.e. less than 24 hours after the event occurred) so WP:RAPID is at play here (AfD less than 5 hours after creation of article). WP:DELAY was waiting for by over 12 hours after the event to help see notability, so the article was not rush created. The other events brought up amid the nomination also may be routine coverage events OR notable events to yet be created. Further research would have to be conducted to see which is the case, anyway that is a clear case of WP:OTHERSTUFFDOESNTEXIST, which is not valid for deletion. In short, the entire deletion nomination rests on WP:NEVENT, which it passess all criteria except for LASTING due to the very obvious RAPID deletion attempt. AfD should be closed as a Keep with the posibility of a future AfD OR merge discussion after it becomes clear (at least a week from now) if the event is routine or has lasting coverage. But yeah, keep due to a very poor RAPID deletion attempt. The Weather Event Writer (Talk Page) 04:42, 25 March 2024 (UTC)
 * If there were no further developments following Poland's protest to Russia, this article should obviously be merged. 日期20220626 (talk) 01:20, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
 * *Speedy close. I urge the nominator to take this to a merge or redirect discussion. There is no way this will be deleted as it's notable within a larger event. - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 05:13, 25 March 2024 (UTC)


 * AFD's can be closed as a merge or a redirect. There is no need for a speedy close. Esolo5002 (talk) 06:29, 25 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Comment I agree with the Weather Event Writer that WP:RAPID applies here. I doubt this will be notable enough for its own article but WP:Lasting coverage over the next few days and weeks are important in deciding notability. Esolo5002 (talk) 06:31, 25 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Delete WP:NOTNEWS. Event not worthy of an article. Wikipedia is not a news outlet. Ecrusized (talk) 08:44, 25 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Delete per WP:NOTNEWS, WP:TENYEARS. An event where a cruise missile strayed into a neighboring airspace for 39 seconds in the course of a major war, without any effect or apparent intention, is simply irrelevant to the extreme. MaeseLeon (talk) 08:55, 25 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Rename into a more generic article like Airspace violations during the Russian invasion of Ukraine, as there are more similar events that could be covered in 1 article. 82.174.61.58 (talk) 09:22, 25 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Violations of non-combatant airspaces during the Russian invasion of Ukraine already exists. Super   Ψ   Dro  09:58, 25 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Rename as indeed "there have been several other events like these in Poland that we haven't given an article [1 ] [2 ]. Airspace violations in Moldova and Romania haven't got their own articles either, and they've been often, specially in Moldova." so this is a significant topic! Xobbitua (talk) 08:27, 27 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Delete, non notable as a indvidual event, one of the many such violations Marcelus (talk) 10:15, 25 March 2024 (UTC) and merge to Violations of non-combatant airspaces during the Russian invasion of Ukraine Marcelus (talk) 17:29, 7 April 2024 (UTC)


 * Delete As like some of the other similar violations covered in the Violations of non-combatant airspaces during the Russian invasion of Ukraine, this is not notable enough for its own article per WP:NOTNEWS. Gödel2200 (talk) 13:52, 25 March 2024 (UTC)


 * Delete This event had little-to-no effect on the wider conflict, and does not have the notability deserving of a separate article. Royz-vi Tsibele (talk) 19:49, 25 March 2024 (UTC)


 * Delete: no reason to expect WP:LASTING effects. Possibly worthy of a mention in other articles/lists, but definitely not notable enough for its own article. Rosbif73 (talk) 14:12, 26 March 2024 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 23:03, 31 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. The only ones with an article in Violations of non-combatant airspaces during the Russian invasion of Ukraine have been crashes or have caused deaths. Simply not notable enough for its own article, especially considering similar such events have not had articles made. Sadustu Tau (talk) 17:01, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Delete per NOTNEWS and lack of sustained coverage. Stop creating articles for events just because they appeared in the news. The big ugly alien  ( talk ) 01:03, 29 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Keep important military and political event, which almost led to a serious diplomatic crisis with the potential expulsion of the Russian ambassador . The details for an international event of this scale would be better in a separate article so as not to overload the more general articles, per Content forks. — Baidax 💬 22:26, 29 March 2024 (UTC)
 * The problem is that Poland did not expel the Russian ambassador, so the missile intrusion into Polish airspace really has no big impact.--日期20220626 (talk) 11:43, 30 March 2024 (UTC)
 * supplanted by !vote farther down the page: Merge to Poland–Russia relations &mdash; I kind of agree with the notion that the content in Timeline of the Russian invasion of Ukraine (1 December 2023 – present) might be sufficient, but I think the main impact is on Poland-Russia relations and not as part of the war in Ukraine (just another salvo). It's been pointed out that Poland didn't take any real action ... but it is part of a set of events that might lead to a response, which is where my recommend for Poland-Russia relations comes from.  Regards --User:Ceyockey ( talk to me ) 00:44, 31 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Merge to Poland–Russia relations as there have been many airspace violations by Russia and this is not notable by itself. (unfortunately.. because there have been many such) ++Lar: t/c 01:55, 31 March 2024 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * I suggest to delete it again. As of now, it's obviously WP:NOTNEWS anymore as expected. It was a very minor event in a major war without significant consequences. Just contextualize and mention it in Violations of non-combatant airspaces during the Russian invasion of Ukraine or Poland–Russia relations as suggested by others above. MaeseLeon (talk) 13:19, 1 April 2024 (UTC) (unbolding vote, you can not vote more than once. Liz Read! Talk! 03:25, 2 April 2024 (UTC))

Relisting comment: I'd like to close this discussion as a Merge rather than Deletion as an ATD but there are two different Merge target articles being suggested here. Can we settle on one? Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 23:15, 7 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Delete The article is short and is not of key importance to the events for which it is worth creating it. If so, you can include this information in an existing article. KujKuń (talk) 14:59, 4 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Merge and redirect to Violations of non-combatant airspaces during the Russian invasion of Ukraine . Not notable on its own but has valuable content that belongs there. -Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 02:46, 7 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Merge to Violations of non-combatant airspaces during the Russian invasion of Ukraine per above. Encylopedic and meets GNG, but better covered as part of the parent article per WP:NOPAGE. The target article's coverage of this could be slightly beefed by merging some of the details on this page. -- Patar knight - chat/contributions 15:00, 7 April 2024 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * I'll ping @Ceyockey and @Lar so they can consider the other target proposed (just above) which I think is better (it was also proposed by others earlier, I am not the originator). Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 10:09, 8 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Merge to Violations of non-combatant airspaces during the Russian invasion of Ukraine; I think this list article is a good target, and it does not preclude inclusion in Poland–Russia relations, but nor does it demand such inclusion. Regards --User:Ceyockey ( talk to me ) 01:53, 9 April 2024 (UTC)


 * Delete per WP:NOTNEWS. Already mentioned in Violations of non-combatant airspaces during the Russian invasion of Ukraine, where it merits inclusion. *Oppose* merge to Poland–Russia relations as there don't appear to be any significant immediate diplomatic consequences (if any). Mooonswimmer 01:33, 13 April 2024 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.