Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Marcin Urynowicz


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The result was delete. —&thinsp;JJMC89&thinsp; (T·C) 02:06, 19 June 2019 (UTC)

Marcin Urynowicz

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PhD in 2008. h-index of around 4. Works for a government education/research/prosecution/lustration agency. Not close to passing NPROF or NAUTHOR. Doesn't seem to pass GNG either. Note that there is a Polish soccer player, with the same name with much more coverage - however they are not the same individual (the soccer player is 20 years younger).Icewhiz (talk) 14:23, 26 May 2019 (UTC) Icewhiz (talk) 14:23, 26 May 2019 (UTC)
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 * Delete Despite its brevity, page suffers from Citation overkill in what appears like an attempt to give a writer who fails [[WP:AUTHOR the appearance of notability.E.M.Gregory (talk) 14:08, 27 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Weak keep. Dissent due to my recent view that we need to be more inclusive for academics. I see a dozen+ mentions of him (interviews, comments) in Polish media (newspapers, radio - google search for ""Marcin Urynowicz" -wiki historyk"). Ex. 2019 interview in Polskie Radio, or another about his research/views in, Polish mainstream daily newspaper Rzeczpospolita (newspaper), or even on TV in TVP. While those are interviews and comments about  other issues, not about him, it shows he has some media presence, and it's not like it' 2-3 hits total, I count easily dozen+, so he is seen as a reliable scholar/expert by the Polish media. His h-index is low... but Gscholar is not very good at indexing non-English scholarship. Google Books shows he has been cited more than what Google Scholar shows, through I won't argue he passes due to citation count - I will just note that we don't have a reliable way of estimating citation counts for scholars whose majority of work is published in non-English language. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here  05:24, 28 May 2019 (UTC)
 * getting quoted by news media is not an indication of notability in any field. What we need to see is stuff like long profiles of his work and impact; books getting multiple reviews in solid journals, and/or serious scholarly papers/books that discuss his work.E.M.Gregory (talk) 22:52, 28 May 2019 (UTC)
 * That would be nice. Hence, week keep since I am not seeing the type of coverage you describe that would make me vote full keep. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 03:28, 29 May 2019 (UTC)

Weak keep as per arguments above. Zezen (talk) 09:15, 1 June 2019 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America1000 07:20, 2 June 2019 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Being quoted in a few news stories does not establish notability for an WP:AUTHOR. And Note that he is not at a university, and that his appointment as a "panelist" is at the Institute of National Remembrance, an institution not held in high repute by historians working outside Poland.E.M.Gregory (talk) 10:49, 2 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Weak Delete - can anyone speak to the publishers of his books? Having three books published by academic presses in the US would lend significant weight to an individuals credentials in the US. Having three (very short) books published by think tanks and government offices would not. I'm familiar with IPN and think their publications have to be taken on a case-by-case basis (and in this case, few citations suggest little influence). Żydowski Instytut Historyczny has been led by historians who themselves have wikipedia pages, and may suggest greater influence. However, short of a few citations by Hanna Kozińska-Witt [red-link intentional], that book also seems to not have broad influence. Smmurphy(Talk) 14:32, 3 June 2019 (UTC)
 * The 2003 book is an illustrated book specific to the town of Kozienice. The 2010 book is with a co-author (Elimelech Rak, listed first) and is on memoirs of Jewish craftsmen. The 2009 book is based on his 2008 PhD dissertation - he worked at the time for Warsaw public education office of the IPN. The IPN itself, beyond having a complex reputation, publishes a wide variety of publications - Research at the IPN differs from academic work in several respects (Behr, 2011). First, researchers do not only conduct scientific projects; they are also required to take part in educational and public outreach initiatives such as exhibitions, short publications, designed for lay readers and youth (like the monthly IPN bulletin), websites, and even board games. The purpose of this deliberately synthetic history, reduced to a playful and attractive format, begs the question: does it seek to popularize knowledge about the past, or to turn it into a political tool?. per Behr, 2016 - in short their publications vary quite a bit in quality/audience. Icewhiz (talk) 06:11, 4 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep: Rewrite it about the more notable soccer player. -- Shyam Has Your Anomaly Mitigated (talk) 02:22, 10 June 2019 (UTC)
 * To date, no editor has been able to find WP:SIGCOV of his life or his books.E.M.Gregory (talk) 01:53, 11 June 2019 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  Sandstein   16:37, 11 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete Fails WP:GNG, WP:NPROF, and WP:NAUTHOR due to a complete lack of sustained WP:SIGCOV of any of his life or works. Just nothing substantive here. Newshunter12 (talk) 07:31, 18 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete per Newshunter12. --MrClog (talk) 20:32, 18 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete I also found this, but it seemingly also relies on what he said about something that happened in the history. So I am not convinced with Piotrus' arguments here: WP:INTERVIEW clearly states interviews cannot be used for establishing notability, and citations and comments of what he said is not WP:INDEPENDENT coverage of his. Citations count is absolutely low, so no hope for WP:NACADEMIC here, and WP:ANYBIO or WP:NAUTHOR is also not applicable (no notable awards and no multiple reviews of his work besides of this ). Jovanmilic97 (talk) 22:44, 18 June 2019 (UTC)


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