Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Marco Cianni


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Marco Cianni

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I don't think this meets WP:NPROF, unless the professional memberships are prestigious enough to carry the page on their own. I cleaned this article up a bit and removed non-RSes and sources that don't mention the subject. Some of the refs are still social media or screenshots of certificates or webpages though. BuySomeApples (talk) 23:22, 6 February 2024 (UTC)


 * Hi
 *  Fellow of the Institution of Engineers Australia is: 
 * 'Membership as a Fellow is the highest level of membership with Engineers Australia. It carries with it a recognition of eminence within the engineering profession.'
 *  Fellow of the Royal Institution of Naval Architects is: 
 * ' We award Fellows to respected professionals who have demonstrated significant senior experience and achieved the highest standards in their field. It shows you have spent a career working at the forefront of the industry to help push boundaries and drive the profession forward. To hold the status of a RINA Fellow is a prestigious and internationally recognised professional qualification.'
 * Please look at the Sources again, they all mention Dr MJ Cianni or Dr Marco Cianni ....you need to look further down the article page. Metasolarus (talk) 23:37, 6 February 2024 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure about the notability of some of these memberships, a fellowship has to be selective/prestigious enough that only notable academics receive it, which for example Engineers Australia doesn't seem to be. Also, it would help if you could find sources that aren't stuff like screenshots or LinkedIn. BuySomeApples (talk) 23:45, 6 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Engineers Australia state: Fellow ' It carries with it a recognition of eminence within the engineering profession.' Metasolarus (talk) 23:57, 6 February 2024 (UTC)
 * RINA Fellow is a prestigious and internationally recognised professional qualification.' Metasolarus (talk) 23:57, 6 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Source: Fellow Membership (FRINA) - Royal Institution of Naval Architects - RINA Metasolarus (talk) 23:59, 6 February 2024 (UTC)

Maybe he is notable just not as an academic. BulgarianCat (talk) 10:10, 12 February 2024 (UTC) WP:SOCKSTRIKE
 * Fellow | Engineers Australia Metasolarus (talk) 00:00, 7 February 2024 (UTC)


 * Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Academics and educators, Authors, Military, Engineering,  and Australia.  WC  Quidditch   ☎   ✎  00:00, 7 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Delete. I agree that he does not appear to pass WP:NPROF. He appears to be a working engineer, not an academic, so the main path to NPROF notability would be fellowship in societies for which this is a highly selective honor and NPROF#C3. His article lists three society fellowships, but I am not convinced that any of them is selective enough. We have repeatedly not counted Fellowship in the Royal Society of Arts as being basically a level of subscription that signifies one's interest in the subject of the arts rather than a honor for a high level of artistic achievement. The other two are Engineers Australia and the Royal Institution of Naval Architects, both of which list their fellowship criteria as having some years of seniority but not really as having any special scholarly accomplishment  so I'm not convinced that they count either. That leaves WP:GNG-based notability but we have no evidence of in-depth sources covering Cianni, nor of accomplishments that might lead to that kind of sourcing. —David Eppstein (talk) 00:13, 7 February 2024 (UTC)
 * WP:NPROF: states: fellow of a major scholarly society which reserves fellow status as a highly selective honor (e.g.,  Fellow of the Institute of Electrical and Electronics Engineers   The Institution of Engineers Australia is the equivalent Institute in Australia and the two Institutes have a Mutual Recognition Agreement. Metasolarus (talk) 00:20, 7 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Engineers Australia state: Fellow '  It carries with it a recognition of eminence within the engineering profession.'  Metasolarus (talk) 00:23, 7 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Notable academics who are Fellows of Engineers Australia include:
 * Rose Amal - Wikipedia
 * Branko Celler - Wikipedia
 * Eliathamby Ambikairajah - Wikipedia Metasolarus (talk) 00:28, 7 February 2024 (UTC)
 * The institution of Engineers Australia Mutual Recognition Agreements with the UK IET (Previously IEE)
 * Engineers Australia: Mutual Recognition Agreements with UK Chartered Engineering Institutions. November 2, 2018 – genuinebritishengineer (wordpress.com) Metasolarus (talk) 00:59, 7 February 2024 (UTC)
 * From their criteria: "For example, you have a PhD in an engineering discipline and hold a position as an associate professor". A level of fellowship that for academics is roughly equivalent to associate professor is not a level of fellowship that passes WP:PROF. —David Eppstein (talk) 01:11, 7 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Dr Cianni does hold a PhD in Engineering discipline Metasolarus (talk) 01:16, 7 February 2024 (UTC)
 * That is also not a WP:PROF criterion. Lots of people hold PhDs. Most of them are not notable. —David Eppstein (talk) 01:16, 7 February 2024 (UTC)
 * References to Dr Cianni's PhD ...please scroll down the page to see Dr Cianni's name:
 * 1) Bringing AI to the grey fleet (rina.org.uk)
 * 2) IMarEST | In depth: The mighty benefits of nuclear reactors in submarines
 * 3) Grey ship technology: AUKUS and beyond - Create (createdigital.org.au)
 * 4) Cyclops class: the tragic cost of entrusting non-professionals (rina.org.uk) Metasolarus (talk) 01:21, 7 February 2024 (UTC)
 * WP:NPROF: states:
 * fellow
 * of a major scholarly society which reserves fellow status as a highly selective honor (e.g.,
 * Fellow of the Institute of Electrical and Electronics Engineers
 * The Institution of Engineers Australia is the equivalent Institute in Australia and the two Institutes have a Mutual Recognition Agreement.
 * Metasolarus
 * talk
 * ) 00:20, 7 February 2024 (UTC)[
 * reply
 * ]
 * Engineers Australia state: Fellow ' It carries with it a recognition of eminence within the engineering profession.
 * Metasolarus (talk) 01:23, 7 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Delete. The fellowships by themselves are not enough. More is needed and I don't see it. Xxanthippe (talk) 01:53, 7 February 2024 (UTC).
 * That is probably because 90% of the article has been deleted. Metasolarus (talk) 02:13, 7 February 2024 (UTC)
 * @ spa. Do you have any connect with the subject that you should reveal under WP:COI? Xxanthippe (talk) 02:23, 7 February 2024 (UTC).
 * No I do not have any contact with him, but I can contact him via LinkedIn if required? Metasolarus (talk) 02:45, 7 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Why, so can I, or so can any man; But will he come when you do call for him? Xxanthippe (talk) 22:01, 13 February 2024 (UTC).
 * In order to be elected Fellow of these professional Institutions, research and implementation is required. Therefore if the detail of this research and implementation I included in the article, that should be sufficient to satisfy the requirements correct? Metasolarus (talk) 02:39, 7 February 2024 (UTC)
 * In order to be elected Fellow of these professional Institutions, research and implementation is required. Therefore if the detail of this research and implementation I included in the article, that should be sufficient to satisfy the requirements correct? Metasolarus (talk) 02:39, 7 February 2024 (UTC)


 * Delete. The fellowships don't meet WP:NPROF, and it is not clear how prestigious they are as others have said.Ldm1954 (talk) 02:41, 7 February 2024 (UTC)
 * So you are basically saying that you do not recognise Fellowship of the main Australian Professional Engineering Institution, it is little wonder therefore that there is minimal Australian Engineering content. Who can assess Engineers Australia Fellowship ? Metasolarus (talk) 02:51, 7 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Delete likely WP:COI as most contribs from a single source. Many engineers would progress to Fellow later in their career. There is a more select level above this of honorary fellow. No links to actual RSA fellow accreditation Teraplane (talk) 02:45, 7 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Honorary Fellow does not exist for Engineers Australia or the Royal Institution of Naval Architects Metasolarus (talk) 02:47, 7 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Fellow is the top 3%, so most engineers would not progress to Fellow Metasolarus (talk) 03:09, 7 February 2024 (UTC)
 * In fact, it does: Engineers Australia Honorary Fellow. That's the selective grade, and Cianni isn't there yet. - MrOllie (talk) 03:13, 7 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Delete. Doesn't meet WP:NPROF, and does not have sufficient independent, in-depth reliable sourcing to meet WP:GNG. - MrOllie (talk) 03:00, 7 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Delete It has failed WP:NPROF. it doesn't have sufficient independent coverage Syed Sadique Hussain (talk) 07:41, 8 February 2024 (UTC) WP:SOCKSTRIKE
 * Admin Note Given those already struck and a sock farm dancing around this, I have semi'ed the AfD to avoid further disruption. Star   Mississippi  20:51, 13 February 2024 (UTC)


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