Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Marcos Caballero


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. Star  Mississippi  02:13, 18 March 2023 (UTC)

Marcos Caballero

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Article about former amateur/semi-pro footballer who received some notice while playing in his mid-to-late thirties after 20+ years at the same club which was seeking a first-ever promotion to Paraguay's top division. D10 covers him in an article about the club's rise, and more recently Crónica published an interview that covers him (I can't find anything else in reliable sources - not even a confirmation of when or where he was born). Although these sources exist, I'm not convinced that they are enough to satisfy the WP:GNG - while he is noted as the club's all-time scorer, most of the coverage relates to the club's ambitions and rise, and Caballero's desire to play in the top division (which never happens). If this article is kept, we should move it to Marco Caballero since he goes by that in the sources available. Additionally, the article was created by a sock, so there is additional trimming to do if it were to be kept. Jogurney (talk) 19:40, 22 February 2023 (UTC)
 * KEEP - He is player for a top division club. Players who don't play for top level clubs can be notable and people who never played professionally can be marked as notable (see Clifton McNeely). Being an all-time leading scorer of a club is noteworthy. Discussions for deletion should be about the article, not used as a way to publicly harass a user see: Talk dos and don'ts and Harassment.KatoKungLee (talk) 20:15, 23 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Clifton McNeely was the first overall pick in the first draft of what became the NBA and there's a boatload of WP:SIGCOV that causes him to meet WP:GNG. That's a bad comparison. Hey man im josh (talk) 21:03, 23 February 2023 (UTC)
 * I'm trying to WP:AGF, but I'm really struggling with your claim of harassment. I can't think of anything I've done except nominate for deletion an article with dubious claims to notability. I've done WP:BEFORE, and I've explained what I found and why I think it's not enough (see above). Also, please note that Caballero is not and never has been a "player for a top division club" - yet per WP:NSPORTS2022 it wouldn't establish notability if he had. Jogurney (talk) 21:06, 23 February 2023 (UTC)
 * I don't see what accusations about the original poster's account status have to do with the notability of this article. I've read over WP:NSPORTS2022 several times and there's very little that useful from it since it only establishes that 1 game does not make you notable automatically. However, with him being a pro player and soon a top division player (as his club is now promoted), I think that's notable.KatoKungLee (talk) 22:03, 23 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Oh, you thought I was bad-mouthing former User:Rojodiablcerrocerrocerro? Not at all, that was just a note to myself and others that if the article is kept, we need to trim some of their inappropriate contributions. It isn't my nomination rationale, and I apologize if it came across that way. Jogurney (talk) 23:09, 23 February 2023 (UTC)


 * Keep - Per KatoKungLee. There are sources like, , and  among more sources. Clearly significant figure in Paraguayan lower league football, regarded as one off clubs most imprint players ever, and played in fully pro Paraguayan second tier. Thanks, Das osmnezz (talk) 23:06, 23 February 2023 (UTC)
 * I mentioned the Crónica and D10 articles in my nomination rationale (not enough to be significant coverage). The ABC Color article tells us his age and height (in 2003), plus one sentence: "Por su parte, Caballero es el artillero del equipo y el torneo, con 12 anotaciones, marca que podrá ser batida en la liguilla hexagonal que se jugará desde el fin de semana próximo, para definir al segundo equipo que ascendará." (Basically he is his club's striker and scored twelve goals so far during the season - in the Paraguayan fourth division.) I can't open the Facebook link, but please tell us how it is a better source of significant coverage than the ABC Color article? Jogurney (talk) 23:26, 23 February 2023 (UTC)

Relisting comment: Further analysis of the sources would be helpful. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Extraordinary Writ (talk) 06:32, 3 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Paraguay-related deletion discussions.  CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 20:16, 22 February 2023 (UTC)
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 * Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related deletions. Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 23:47, 22 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete - no evidence of notability. Cronica decent but not enough on its own, none of the other sources presented enough. If sources are found please ping me. GiantSnowman 19:42, 24 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete - Clear fail of GNG. Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 01:16, 26 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Weak keep: besides Crónica, Última Hora also seems to give him a pretty good coverage with a section of his own, calling him "goleador histórico" and "la principal figura" ("historic striker" and the team's "main player", freely translated). not a new source but I invite you to take a look. Rkieferbaum (talk) 13:51, 2 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Not enough for me, sorry! GiantSnowman 18:36, 2 March 2023 (UTC)
 * The Cronica source is almost entirely quotes, so is not independent. JoelleJay (talk) 19:48, 9 March 2023 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Relisting comment: More input is needed before determining consensus. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Shawn Teller (talk) 03:35, 10 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete: Not seeing evidence of notability. Hey man im josh (talk) 14:11, 6 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete, agreed with Jogurney, none of the sources come close to GNG. JoelleJay (talk) 21:15, 6 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Weak delete - this one is marginal but really Crónica is a very good source but the others lack the independent content to really make any real notability claim from. As WP:SPORTBASIC requires more than one good source, it's hard to advocate clearly for a keep. Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 19:34, 9 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Redirect to Sportivo Ameliano. While I consider Chronica page to be GNG-appropriate (there is sufficient non-quote content to be considered independent), that alone is not enough SIGCOV for a GNG pass. The rest of the sources fail GNG. As Mr. Caballero is a top player for this club, his name is a reasonable search term and he is listed multiple times on the club’s page, including in the lead.  Also this is close to GNG so using an ATD would preserve article history in the event more coverage becomes available for a standalone page.  Frank   Anchor  22:52, 9 March 2023 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * Delete: Sportsfan 1234 and GiantSnowman. BLPs need clearly Ind RS with SIGCOV addressing the subject directly and indepth for both content and notabilty to avoid abuse. These do not meet that standard. Not seeing anything with SIGCOV addressing the subject directly and indepth.  // Timothy :: talk  13:34, 17 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete - just simply not enough in-depth coverage to pass WP:GNG. Onel 5969  TT me 00:37, 18 March 2023 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.