Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Marcus Campbell (artist)


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The result was delete. Liz Read! Talk! 23:35, 28 November 2022 (UTC)

Marcus Campbell (artist)

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Fails, WP:NARTIST and WP:GNG, possible hoax? Theroadislong (talk) 18:04, 19 November 2022 (UTC) Comment Based on this book and write-up, he may meet the first criteria of WP:ARTIST. It's the only one I can find though. If more similar commentary on his work by peers cannot be found, deletion is likely most appropriate. The fact he is recognized by known artists who published books about his work combined with his earlier literary career might combine to approach notability. As for the award he supposedly won, I can't independently verify that he won it, but it does appear to be a fairly significant award in New Zealand. Still, I doubt this would be enough to satisfy WP:GNG or WP:AUTHOR. Chagropango (talk) 18:36, 19 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: People and Artists. Theroadislong (talk) 18:04, 19 November 2022 (UTC)

Comment The Sargeson prize which Mr Campbell says he won in 1981 did not exist then. Frank Sargeson only died in 1982 and a fellowship in his name was set up in 1987 which included a literature prize. From the Frank Sargeson Wikipedia entry: In 1987, the Trust established the Sargeson Fellowship, a New Zealand literary award, to provide assistance to New Zealand writers. Some writers who have received the award include Janet Frame (who was, appropriately, the first writer to receive the award in 1987),[5] Alan Duff and Michael King. From 1987 to 1996 the award was paid for by the Trust, but after funding ran out, law firm Buddle Findlay took over sponsorship from 1997 to 2013 and the fellowship was renamed the Buddle Findlay Sargeson Fellowship.[29][30] Since 2013, the fellowship has been sponsored by law firm Grimshaw & Co and it is now known as the Grimshaw Sargeson Fellowship.[31] — Preceding unsigned comment added by Truthtalker13 (talk • contribs) 19:30, 19 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Authors, Theatre, France,  and New Zealand.  Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 20:16, 19 November 2022 (UTC)

Comment The Amazon biography also quotes the Sargeson Prize this time 1983 and for a book of short stories Mr Campbell only published on Amazon in 2017. Please note also that all 3 reviews are by the same person. Mention of Fulbright award and Katherine Mansfield awards cannot be verified and are likely to be a hoax. https://www.amazon.com/Marcus-Campbell/e/B07ZC9D18Q/ref=dp_byline_cont_pop_book_1 Truthtalker13 — Preceding undated comment added 22:11, 20 November 2022 (UTC) Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 20:06, 26 November 2022 (UTC)
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 * Delete based on above, it almost sounds like HOAX. I don't see anything for this person, one with the same name organizes book fairs in the UK, that's all I can find. Oaktree b (talk) 20:40, 26 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete: as non-notable as per this resume. MurrayGreshler (talk) 21:41, 28 November 2022 (UTC)
 * The Find NZ Artists pages aren't resumes, they're just a record of where |an artist's files can be found. The fact that his artist's files are held at New Zealand's national museum is probably a point towards notability rather than away from it (although isn't enough on its own, per my below comment). Cheers, Chocmilk03 (talk) 23:02, 28 November 2022 (UTC)
 * -- Thanks. I knew the word "resume" was not correct but I couldn't think of the right term and had to choose the closest thing I could think of. However, I did check the Museum of New Zealand Te Papa Tongarewa link earlier as well (for Campbell info, and -- unlike other artists whom I sampled -- the file has no information for Campbell, not even the most basic. [[User:MurrayGreshler|MurrayGreshler] (talk) 23:09, 28 November 2022 (UTC)


 * Delete: He doesn't meet WP:GNG criteria, nor WP:AUTHOR nor WP:ARTIST. I don't think the article is a hoax. I have found a 1978 reference to an award called the Sargeson Prize for prose fiction but I can't find any records of other winners nor does this appear to be a significant award (the article describes it as being accompanied by a "small cash prize" and the right to be published in a literary magazine). It appears that one of his short stories was anthologised in the fourth edition of New Zealand Short Stories (1984). But at the end of the day I can't find any significant coverage of him in reliable secondary sources, which seems to me to be the clincher. Chocmilk03 (talk) 23:02, 28 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Also, not that it's definitive, but his books as linked on Amazon appear to be self-published. Have found this review of A Blue Forest on Kirkus Reviews which again isn't enough to demonstrate his own notability. Chocmilk03 (talk) 23:08, 28 November 2022 (UTC)


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