Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Marcus Kasner


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The result was delete.  MBisanz  talk 03:02, 27 December 2016 (UTC)

Marcus Kasner

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Appears to be a WP:NOTINHERITED/WP:BIO1E case. The only (and only fairly minor) coverage of him in the news media is in relation to him being the brother of Angela Merkel. His citability in GScholar is pretty low and he does not appear to satisfy WP:PROF on his own. A PROD was declined by the article's creator, so I am bringing this to the AfD. Nsk92 (talk) 15:57, 4 December 2016 (UTC)


 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Academics and educators-related deletion discussions. Nsk92 (talk) 15:59, 4 December 2016 (UTC)


 * Keep. I believe he is sufficiently notable as an academic with a Habilitation++ who is included in Kürschners Deutscher Gelehrten-Kalender (encyclopedia of German scientists); the fact that he is the subject of some additional coverage in relation to being the only brother of Angela Merkel, Europe's most important leader, also adds to his notability, but is not the sole reason for it. He is also of some historical interest due to his role within the opposition in the late 1980s in the same small circle that his sister started her political career in, and in the events leading to the German reunification.


 * In any event, he is at least as notable as Maya Soetoro-Ng (Obama's half-sister who is described as a former high school history teacher and who certainly doesn't have a career that would merit a biography here), Lolo Soetoro, Sarah Onyango Obama, Zeituni Onyango, Marian Shields Robinson, Capers Funnye (who seems to owe his biography only to the fact that he is a first cousin once removed of Michelle Obama) etc. etc. --Tataral (talk) 16:49, 4 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Having a second doctoral degree, such as habilitation in the German and French system, or D.Sc. in the Russian system, is not, in and of itself, sufficient to satisfy WP:PROF. I could not quite figure out what Kürschners Deutscher Gelehrten-Kalender is. It is possible that it lists all German scientists with a habilitation degree or a Professor appointment in Europe, in which case it is closer to a WP:DIRECTORY type publication and would not be indicative of academic notability. If it more selective than that, then it would be a good and solid source for Kasner, but it is still just once source. Not enough, IMO, to establish his notability per either WP:PROF or WP:BIO. Now, regarding your comparisons of Kasner with the other people you list. The original reason that the news media became interested in them may have been their association with more famous people, but these individuals themselves received specific and detailed coverage. For example, Capers Funnye has been the subject of two profiles in NYT  and, an article in 'Forward' , an interview by the U.S. Holocaust Memorial Museum , etc. There are no examples of comparable in-depth detailed specific coverage for Kasner. All we have for him are a few brief mentions in the news-media, in stories about Merkel (at least as far as I can tell). Nsk92 (talk) 17:59, 4 December 2016 (UTC)


 * I fail to see why a relatively brief article in a highly obscure publication such as forward.com should be a better indication of notability (for a guy leading a congregation of 200 people) than this interview with Kasner in Die Tageszeitung. In fact, I see nothing in those other articles which demonstrate any greater notability than Kasner, rather the opposite. In my opinion, it is especially the combination of Kasner's academic career, the coverage of him in relation to being Merkel's brother, and his early political activism during the revolutions of 1989 (in the same small circle in which Merkel started her political career), that makes him notable. --Tataral (talk) 18:11, 4 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Science-related deletion discussions. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 19:44, 4 December 2016 (UTC)
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 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Politics-related deletion discussions. Tataral (talk) 20:39, 4 December 2016 (UTC)

Delete. Given the above discussion (WP:OSE makes a lot of it irrelevant), it's pretty clear this BLP fails WP:PROF. Doing postdoctoral work and having a few publications is pretty far from the notability bar. The only claim to fame is being the brother of Angela Merkel, and that's already mentioned at her article. Kingofaces43 (talk) 22:21, 4 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Redirect to Merckel. No pass of WP:Prof yet, WP:Too soon. Xxanthippe (talk) 05:59, 7 December 2016 (UTC).
 * An article doesn't need to pass WP:PROF when it already passes WP:GNG and when the subject isn't exclusively notable for his scientific work. I dare say that Maya Soetoro-Ng, the high school teacher and current Faculty Specialist of Community Outreach at the Spark M. Matsunaga Institute for Peace & Conflict Resolution (which seems fairly obscure), and the other countless articles on relatives of prominent US politicians, don't pass WP:PROF either. --Tataral (talk) 12:44, 7 December 2016 (UTC)
 * BLP does not pass WP:GNG either. Xxanthippe (talk) 21:32, 7 December 2016 (UTC).

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Comment. Notability is not inherited. Fails WP:PROF. I am not seeing coverage that would help with GNG. Which source discusses him in-depth? Kürschners Deutscher Gelehrten-Kalender could be the article's saving grace as a rule of thumb we consider people who are written in other encyclopedias notable, but could someone outside the article's creator confirm it is a reliable source? --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 13:14, 11 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete. Clearly fails WP:PROF. - Darwinek (talk) 16:16, 11 December 2016 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, st170e talk 01:16, 12 December 2016 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, — UY Scuti Talk  17:09, 19 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete as the obvious solution in our policies given that's what the article itself starts with "Known for Angela Merkel", case closed for any independent substance. SwisterTwister   talk  01:02, 27 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete Doesn't seem to have done anything significant outside of being a family member of someone significant, which isn't enough for notability. South Nashua (talk) 02:04, 27 December 2016 (UTC)


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