Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Marcus Rowland (author)


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The result was keep. Ad Orientem (talk) 01:37, 9 February 2020 (UTC)

Marcus Rowland (author)

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This BLP has been sourced for the preceding 14 years to a birth certificate and to a website called "victorianadventureenthusiast.com." A standard BEFORE (Google News, Google Books, JSTOR, and newspapers.com) fails to unearth substantial additional sources. Largely composed of unsourced WP:OR, the article highly violates the privacy of a non-notable person. Chetsford (talk) 07:33, 1 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep. Author of several notable works. Lacking sources is not the same as original research. Article could do with some more sources, but subject is notable. cagliost (talk) 16:40, 1 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Under WP:NAUTHOR "notable works" logically imagines things like publications on the New York Times bestseller list or recipients of the Nobel Prize for Literature, not the third most popular RPG rulebook at GENCON '88. Chetsford (talk) 19:31, 1 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Chetsford, you may be under the misapprehension that "notable" in this context means anything other than "meeting wikipedia's Notability policy". It doesn't. Newimpartial (talk) 19:38, 1 February 2020 (UTC)
 * I'm not, however, thank you for checking. Notability must be demonstrated, not simply declared. Chetsford (talk) 19:47, 1 February 2020 (UTC)
 * The article links to Wikipedia articles about two of his creations (Forgotten Futures and Diana: Warrior Princess) -- these have Wikipedia articles so are notable. There are also links to several notable things he contributed to. cagliost (talk) 21:46, 1 February 2020 (UTC)
 * I'll nominate those two for deletion shortly. They don't seem to pass the GNG either. Chetsford (talk) 05:35, 3 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Games-related deletion discussions. Chetsford (talk) 07:33, 1 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of England-related deletion discussions.  CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 09:05, 1 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Authors-related deletion discussions.  CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 09:05, 1 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Science fiction and fantasy-related deletion discussions. Newimpartial (talk) 18:54, 1 February 2020 (UTC)


 * Delete having notable works does not always make the creator notable, in this case I would say it does not, and am also less than clear that his works are notable.John Pack Lambert (talk) 19:50, 3 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep I have added biographical details from interviews, and there is now also a citation from The Encyclopedia of Science Fiction specifically about pioneering the concept of shareware role-playing games.Guinness323 (talk) 01:31, 4 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep Clear pass of WP:NAUTHOR (criterion 3) through the creation of Forgotten Futures, a well-known work subject to significant commentary and RS reviews. The Marcus Rowland article now includes two SIGCOV RS book references and is thus a clear GNG pass as well. Newimpartial (talk) 06:59, 4 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep. Exceptionally notable RPG author. Almost always known as Marcus L. Rowland, however, to which the article should be renamed. Claims of violation of privacy of a published author are frankly laughable. -- Necrothesp (talk) 13:16, 5 February 2020 (UTC)


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