Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Marcus Urban


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The result was   keep.  Sandstein  08:01, 21 April 2012 (UTC)

Marcus Urban

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This article claims that Marcus Urban was the first gay footballer to come out, but cites no sources to the fact that he is a) gay; or b) a professional footballer. If he is not a professional who has played competitive, first-team matches, then he is just another gay person to have come out - this is no doubt a very courageous thing to do regardless of occupation, but unless he has done something else to make him noteworthy, coming out is simply not enough to confer notability on Wikipedia. – PeeJay 14:17, 13 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related deletions. – PeeJay 14:22, 13 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Comment Keep The German Wikipedia page on him has references which look reliable and detailed. However I can't see anything about him being the first openly gay player, so I removed that claim from the page.  He's also the study of a book-length biography, and he played for FC Rot-Weiß Erfurt, a fully professional team in German 2nd Division (per WikiProject Football/Fully professional leagues) so he looks notable.  Hopefully someone with more knowledge of German football can confirm.  --Colapeninsula (talk) 14:22, 13 April 2012 (UTC)
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 * Keep - From what I can tell, he never actually got to a professional level, being force out of the game for being gay. That being said, the coverage both on this page and the one on the German wiki is to be sufficient to meet WP:GNG, in my opinion. Sir Sputnik (talk) 16:16, 13 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Weak Keep- The title of the biography includes gay; it seems the GrandHotelPictures biopic languished in 2009, or this would be a clearer keep. Dru of Id (talk) 20:59, 13 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete per WP:BLP1E. Could be an idea to redirect, and give a bigger mention to him, at Homosexuality in association football. GiantSnowman 17:48, 14 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Keep. WP:ATHLETE doesn't supersede WP:GNG/WP:BIO. He's the subject of an entire book! And of lots of other reliable coverage! Seems like a no-brainer. –Roscelese (talk &sdot; contribs) 04:35, 16 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete - He is not the first gay footballer, he is just a gay amateur footballer. To be gay does not confer notability, and same goes for amateur footballer. Mentoz86 (talk) 20:56, 16 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Keep. Obviously passes the general notability guideline as detailed above. Phil Bridger (talk) 20:57, 17 April 2012 (UTC)
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