Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Marcus Van Wattum


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. Sock votes disregarded. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 17:14, 16 January 2018 (UTC)

Marcus Van Wattum

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Subject doesn't appear to meet WP:GNG or WP:MUSICBIO. Adam9007 (talk) 21:16, 1 January 2018 (UTC)
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 * Delete does not meet the notability guidelines for musicians.John Pack Lambert (talk) 03:18, 2 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep Unreliable sources removed, reliable sources added. Meets all guidelines now. Indeskys (talk) 10:14, 2 January 2018 (UTC) — Indeskys (talk&#32;• contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.  — Note to closing admin: Indeskys (talk • contribs)  is the creator of the page that is the subject of this AfD.  — Indeskys (talk • contribs) is a confirmed sock puppet of Marcuscw (talk • contribs). – Struck above comment from blocked sock per WP:SOCKSTRIKE. Sam Sailor 09:58, 15 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete as it stands. I must disagree with User:Indeskys: this article doesn't meet any of the guidelines at WP:MUSICBIO and the sources added art all catalogue listings of songs, not reliable sources.  A  Train talk 15:46, 2 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Weak delete, see my rationale below.  A  Train talk 16:25, 2 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep These sources are the exact same sources as used in the articles of the performing artists and come directly from the publishers (BMI, BumaStemra). What other sources are there for song credits cause I believe these are the standard for Wikipedia articles. Also, the musician notability requirements of having worked on a charted single or album are met (David Guetta album), as are the certified gold requirements. Indeskys (talk) 10:14, 2 January 2018 (UTC) — Indeskys (talk • contribs) is a confirmed sock puppet of Marcuscw (talk • contribs). – Struck above comment from blocked sock per WP:SOCKSTRIKE. Sam Sailor 09:58, 15 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Duplicate vote struck: everybody gets one, Indeskys. ;)  A  Train talk 16:13, 2 January 2018 (UTC)
 * you're right that the article subject produced a charted single. When I first assessed the AfD, I clicked the BMI link and it threw up an error. After your comment, I searched the BMI database myself and found van Wattum listed as a producer on "Bang My Head". So you're right, van Wattum produced a single that charted on the Billboard Hot 100 and meets WP:MUSICBIO criterion 2. I've changed my position above accordingly.
 * As to the sourcing: this is a bio of a living person, which is subject to stricter sourcing standards than other kinds of WP articles. This article would need to have some reliable prose sources like a prominent music magazine or a newspaper article discussing van Wattum -- at the moment it's just catalog mentions. Some sources to back up the first half of the biography section would be ideal, at the moment we're making unbased assertions about the life of a living person, which does not fly per WP:BLP.  A  Train talk 16:25, 2 January 2018 (UTC)


 * Keep Guidelines for musicians met. All sources for discography and awards are legitimately soured from AllMusic . Bio needs some more sources but hardly a reason to delete the whole article. Here is an added source for the BUMA award he won for the Gold single, Bang My Head, which he worked on with David Guetta. Here is also a photo of Marcus Van Wattum holding his BUMA Award.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nbpdigital (talk • contribs) 08:30, 3 January 2018 (UTC)  — Nbpdigital (talk • contribs) is a confirmed sock puppet of Marcuscw (talk • contribs). – Struck above comment from blocked sock per WP:SOCKSTRIKE. Sam Sailor 09:58, 15 January 2018 (UTC)


 * — has only contributed to the article(s) under discussion for deletion and AFD.  A  Train talk 12:54, 5 January 2018 (UTC)  A  Train talk 12:54, 5 January 2018 (UTC)


 * Keep Agree with Nbpdigital, WP:MUSICBIO issues have been solved and guidelines are met. Extra sources have been added. Article still needs work but not a reason for deletion. Nachomerengue 11:35, 4 January 2018 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Marcuscw (talk • contribs)
 * — Marcuscw (talk&#32;• contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.  A  Train talk 12:54, 5 January 2018 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ansh 666 10:14, 9 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Comment Replaced the broken BMI links with allmusic links so there is no question whether subject produced a charted and gold single thus meeting the notability guidelines for musicians. Same references used as on the wiki pages of the performing artists. Bio now has 2 sources; the subject's bio on the Dutch Sound Education school for music where he teaches an annual master class and his personal website.Indeskys (talk) 19:14, 10 January 2018 (UTC) — Indeskys (talk • contribs) is a confirmed sock puppet of Marcuscw (talk • contribs). – Struck above comment from blocked sock per WP:SOCKSTRIKE. Sam Sailor 09:58, 15 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete. Subject co-wrote the charting and certified David Guetta song "Bang My Head" that won a Buma Awards; one could argue that's a pass of WP:MUSICBIO #2 and #3, but we lack secondary sources that talk about Van Wattum having been part of the winning writers team, and MUSICBIO is a possibility of being notable, not a sure pass. We lack any reliable, secondary sources that talks about Van Wattum in detail, so we are not yet passed the threshold of the basic notability guideline for people. On a side note I have filed an SPI case at Sockpuppet investigations/Marcuscw where subject admits to meatpuppetry. Sam Sailor 11:14, 14 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Comment Not only did Bang My Head chart and win an award, his other productions for Britney Spears and Sekai No Owari also charted, as can be seen in their respectable Wikipedia articles which this article links to. MUSICBIO explicitly asks for 1 of the guidelines to be met so I don't know how you can say "Not a sure pass"...Indeskys (talk) — Indeskys (talk • contribs) is a confirmed sock puppet of Marcuscw (talk • contribs). – Struck above comment from blocked sock per WP:SOCKSTRIKE. Sam Sailor 09:58, 15 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Comment Indeskys and Nbpdigital have both been indef blocked per Sockpuppet investigations/Marcuscw. Ben   Mac  Dui  15:14, 14 January 2018 (UTC)


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