Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Maren Knudsen


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete. I don't see that the discussion addresses the other two articles in this AFD at all. Discussion seems to treat this AFD as a singular AFD. I suggest renominating them at another AFD. v/r - TP 23:54, 20 March 2012 (UTC)

Maren Knudsen

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Amateur female footballer who plays in Toppserien and have represented Norway at youth level. Fails WP:NFOOTY and WP:GNG. PROD was contested with the rationale "This article should not be deleted for lack of asserted importance because Maren Knudsen plays in one of the top European women's football championships according to UEFA's coefficients and she has played in the UEFA Women's Under-19 Championship, a notable UEFA-sanctioned international competition. Sources are provided for both statements." Mentoz86 (talk) 12:23, 4 March 2012 (UTC)

After some discussion on the article-creator (User:Pakhtakorienne) talk page about the PROD's, he felt that women footballers should have other notability guidelines then men. I asked him to remove the PROD on all three article so that we could reach a consensus through an AfD, and that's why I'm nominating these three articles for deletion together. All three are playing in Toppserien and represented Norway in 2011 UEFA Women's U-19 Championship. Only difference is that Cathrine Dekkerhus also have participated in UEFA Women's Champions League. Mentoz86 (talk) 12:33, 4 March 2012 (UTC)


 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Football-related deletion discussions. Mentoz86 (talk) 12:41, 4 March 2012 (UTC)
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 * Keep From a quick google search, I found evidence of non trivial coverage in multiple independent reliable sources.   Therefore passes WP:GNG. Nom might consider WP:BEFORE in future. Clavdia chauchat (talk) 15:14, 4 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Keep as it passes WP:GNG, therefore football notability is a non-issue. Cloudz 679 17:57, 4 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete - having thought about this some more, I believe the article would need some kind of WP:NFOOTBALL "pass" to exist as an article. At the moment, WP:NFOOTBALL is geared towards male footballers, so this makes it difficult to have notability for any women's footballers other than those who have played for national teams. But I do believe that playing for an under-19 team and not at the full international level does not establish notability, male or female. Whether players from top European womens clubs (which are not professional) should have pages should be discussed somewhere, preferably at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Football or Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Women's sport. Cloudz 679 18:44, 13 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Comment - So basically one article at Football Association of Norway's website + coverage in the local paper + some coverage at a user-generated site is enough for GNG? Mentoz86 (talk) 18:22, 4 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete - not enough for GNG, I'm afraid, and also fails WP:NFOOTBALL. GiantSnowman 18:25, 4 March 2012 (UTC)
 * I'd say that women's football is a largely non-professional sport and should maybe have other guidelines than men's. Geschichte (talk) 21:27, 4 March 2012 (UTC)
 * I agree that other guidelines may be useful, particularly if the mainstream media cover the topic less than men's. However, the players taking pat in the many competitions would probably disagree with you about being largely non-professional. -- Trevj (talk) 21:28, 20 March 2012 (UTC)
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 * Delete. Fail WP:NFOOTBALL and WP:GNG. Mattythewhite (talk) 15:11, 11 March 2012 (UTC)


 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Ron Ritzman (talk) 00:53, 12 March 2012 (UTC)

 
 * Keep: I don't know Norwegian, but she has been mentioned in Norwegian news sources. here, here, here, here, here, and other sources here.  These 43 references in a Norwegian newspaper seem like the qualify her for WP:GNG for me. --LauraHale (talk) 09:13, 15 March 2012 (UTC)


 * Comment - WP:GNG states: ""Significant coverage" means that sources address the subject directly in detail, so no original research is needed to extract the content. Significant coverage is more than a trivial mention but it need not be the main topic of the source material." The three first sources you've listed names here in a starting line-up, the fourth is a match-report which states that Maren Knudsen made a penalty and the fifth article is about Tina Algrøy but mentions Knudsen in one sentence. The 43 references in "a norwegian newspaper" is infact 13 different newspaper's cooperation "100% fotball" (100% fotball facebookpage), and of the 13 papers you have 5 of the 8 biggest in Norway. Melissa Bjånesøy gets 39 hits in the 13 newspapers and Cathrine Dekkerhus gets 21 hits the 13 newspapers . Neither of these three are close to pass GNG, but if there exist different notability guidelines for women than for men these articles could be kept. If not the WP:FOOTY project have a huge cleaning job to do, deleting all non-notable female footballers. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mentoz86 (talk • contribs) 12:14, 17 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Why are you trying to rebutt every single !vote that you disagree with? You've already expressed your opinion, please let everyone else express theirs. Clavdia chauchat (talk) 11:45, 19 March 2012 (UTC)
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