Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Margeret Grubb


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.  

The result of the debate was keep. Petros471 15:54, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

Margeret Grubb
The page title is misspelled, but more than that, Margaret Louise Grubb isn't notable herself; she's only notable for being L. Ron Hubbard's first wife and the mother of Ronald DeWolf. -- Antaeus Feldspar 14:45, 18 June 2006 (UTC)

Keep. I like to have articles on the whole Hubbard family, also all children.
 * Delete per own nom. -- Antaeus Feldspar 14:45, 18 June 2006 (UTC) Changed to Keep per ChrisO. -- Antaeus Feldspar 20:23, 21 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete Unless there is a reason why she is more notable. The article doesn't exactly assert much. There is nothing here that can't be said in L. Ron Hubbard's article. Ydam 15:02, 18 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep, expand and rename. I respectfully disagree. I think there's a good deal of interesting material here that's worth including - I've expanded the article accordingly. As for notability, the fact that she was married to Hubbard in the first place makes her notable - if we have articles on Joseph Smith Jr's wives (see Joseph Smith, Jr. and Polygamy) I think that provides ample precedent for an equivalent account of Hubbard's wives' lives. -- ChrisO 19:32, 18 June 2006 (UTC)
 * I dunno. Beyond the general theme of "Hubbard was a jerk to her" ... I'm not sure what light it sheds on anything notable.  I mean, Sara Northrup Hubbard doesn't have an article, and she was much more intricately involved with the whole Dianetics/Scientology story, being one of the three world's first Clears (as opposed to one of the world's first three Clears...) -- Antaeus Feldspar 01:42, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Sara Northrup Hubbard should have an article (and I intend to do one on her next); an article on Margaret Grubb would round off the "trilogy". Her notability is, I think, really on two grounds: she was married to a notable person during a notable period in his life, and the breakdown of the marriage gives an important insight into Hubbard's character. You might also want to consider why you consider her a minor figure. Until Russell Miller wrote Bare-Faced Messiah, for which he interviewed several people who had known Grubb, virtually nothing had been published about her. She's a major figure in terms of the book (significantly more references than most of his children) and by his account she played a significant part in his life - they were married for 14 years after all. But she has been systematically omitted by Hubbard and the CoS in their respective biographical accounts. That's the real reason for her relative obscurity - they've systematically avoided talking about her. Most Scientologists probably don't know she even existed. The expanded version of this article brings together the various published sources into one article. As far as I know, that's not been done before, so I think this article also serves a useful purpose as a possibly unique biographical reference. -- ChrisO 07:34, 21 June 2006 (UTC)


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