Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Maria Amor Torres


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was speedy delete. I'm cutting this short: it is obvious that this was a copyvio from the get-go, and promotional to boot. That doesn't make her not-notable as a subject, but in this case, there is nothing to keep that's valid to keep, given our policies. Drmies (talk) 15:06, 24 August 2015 (UTC)

Maria Amor Torres

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Part of a promotional walled garden. "Princess" Maria Amor Torres lacks depth of coverage in independent reliable sources. Current bombardment of sources is non reliable sources, passing mentions and PR driven puff. duffbeerforme (talk) 07:58, 18 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Weak delete. Borderline. Not seeing anything reliable in books or GNews search. Self-marketed princess, but has some media presence. is short and mentions her in passing (despite the eye-catching title).  is similar.  is e better, but  it seems to be a minor media outlet. No mainstream coverage, all I see is minor/vanity/combined with blogs (CNN entries are 'citizen journalism' - iReport). I think it's vanity entry, WP:TOOSOON at best. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here  08:58, 18 August 2015 (UTC)
 * (Is she even a princess?) Of the articles you link: 1, as you say is short and mentions her in passing. 2, is "By WE CAREFOR HUMANITY (WCH)" so not independent. 3, Pure PR puff from a personal wordpress blog that routinely republishes press releases (egs  ), clearly not a reliable source. duffbeerforme (talk) 11:01, 19 August 2015 (UTC)


 * Keep.GNews search on Princess Maria Amor brings some tangible sources; she is generally known as ""Princess Maria Amor". I have removed CNN iReport, thanks 'Piotrus'. I have added some more reliable sources which are in Arabic and Bengali. Her works are mostly in India, Malaysia, The Philippines and other Asian and African countries, I don't think so the coverage in native languages could be brought here to support her notability. And it is very difficult to guess whether those regional native publications are online presence; though if they are, it is very difficult to google them for others who don't know those languages.Kailasher (talk) 13:16, 18 August 2015 (UTC) — Kailasher (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. Note on SPA: I have created Campa Cola Compound Case and Saraswati Mandir High School.Kailasher (talk) 09:15, 24 August 2015 (UTC)




 * Note It appears WP:BASIC is met. Article can benefit from cleanup per WP:STYLE, but WP:NONENG sourcing and addressable issues do not mandate deletion.  Schmidt,  Michael Q. 17:42, 18 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Appearances can be deceptive. duffbeerforme (talk) 11:01, 19 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Can you elaborate one factor that appearance can be deceptive on this regard?Kailasher (talk) 11:20, 19 August 2015 (UTC)
 * If so, all these gathering and the keynote address by former Senator Diane Watson are also deceptive?Kailasher (talk) 12:32, 19 August 2015 (UTC)


 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions. &mdash;&thinsp;JJMC89&thinsp; (T·E·C) 02:12, 19 August 2015 (UTC)


 * Keep or, at the minimum merge and expand at a section in the article of the organization she founded. Sources do not have to be solely about this woman, just so long as they provide more-than-trivial coverage. WP:BASIC is met through Newsfirst (1), The Nation, News Sri Lanka, 24 Hours(1), The Star, The Hindu, Bornoe Post, The Hollywood Times, Newsfirst (2), Daily FT, Elle Nation, and others. Enough sources have taken note of this individual, that it is sensible that we do too, and the article can grow and expand over time and through regular editing. Deletion does not serve the project.  Schmidt,  Michael Q. 12:31, 19 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Really Schmidt? Did you even look at the sites you're linking? Articles "By WE CAREFOR HUMANITY (WCH)". A press release site. Same link twice. Her talking about her self. A video of her talking on a site were users can upload videos. Passing mentions and trivial coverage. PR rehashes. She's representing the royal family of Philippines? Does the Philippines know about this family? duffbeerforme (talk) 07:32, 20 August 2015 (UTC)


 * The sources say, she is from The Royal House of Baloi. For, "Does the Philippines know about this family?", please refer The Present System.Kailasher (talk) 08:45, 20 August 2015 (UTC)
 * The sources are nothing but puffery, but that Lanao article sheds some light on the situation. Thanks. --Ronz (talk) 15:33, 20 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Kailasher, Thanks for that link. So not the royal family of Philippines then. duffbeerforme (talk) 12:02, 21 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Before you get into asking some questions on others, you shoul clear your doubts on history; there is no royal families of India, Indonesia, Malaysia and Philippines, these are recently created political entities by amalgamating various kingdoms, principalities and other.Kailasher (talk) 04:29, 22 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Philippines-related deletion discussions. &mdash;&thinsp;JJMC89&thinsp; (T·E·C) 02:12, 19 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of California-related deletion discussions. &mdash;&thinsp;JJMC89&thinsp; (T·E·C) 02:12, 19 August 2015 (UTC)


 * Keep: Per Schmidt. Yogesh Khandke (talk) 15:53, 19 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Merge to We Care for Humanity. Notability is dependent on the organization she founded.--RioHondo (talk) 02:12, 20 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Keep Per good work by MichaelQSchmidt.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 13:59, 20 August 2015 (UTC)
 * I'll ask you the same thing. Did you even look at the articles MichaelQSchmidt linked? Which do you think helps with GNG? The press releases? the passing mentions? The articles by her org? Her talking about herself? Which ones? duffbeerforme (talk) 11:59, 21 August 2015 (UTC)


 * Note Most of article is copied from her website. The copyvio policy has changed hugely since I've dealt with a situation this bad, so I'm not sure how address both the copyvio and AfD properly so one doesn't cause problems with the other. I'm guessing the two other articles have similar problems. --Ronz (talk) 20:28, 23 August 2015 (UTC)


 * I have reverted your removal of large sunk of content without prior discussion on the talk page. Please identify those on the talk page of the subject then we can do our best. I will report next time at ANI, if you revert that your edits are not in the best interests of Wikipedia. Don't undermine the project that others are not dancing with you. Please listen Michael he is a long standing Administrator.Kailasher (talk) 06:54, 24 August 2015 (UTC)
 * While there is a deletion discussion going on, you removed the Afd tag also without any prior consensus. Please remember it is a serious violation and you may be blocked eventually if you continue like this.Kailasher (talk) 07:30, 24 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Please rather than repeatedly making your claims of reliable sources into press releases, you instead take the authored article to WP:RSN to let other wiser heads offer their inputs.Kailasher (talk) 08:09, 24 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Please WP:FOC. If you're not interested in addressing the WP:BLP and WP:COPYVIO problems, leave them to those who will.
 * I did not remove any tags. I pointed out that I'm unaware of how to proproperly address COPYVIO problems when an article is up for AfD. --Ronz (talk) 14:51, 24 August 2015 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.