Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Maria Kinnaird


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The result was   keep. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 15:23, 21 August 2013 (UTC)

Maria Kinnaird

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I don't get it. What is this person notable for? §§ Dharmadhyaksha §§ {T/C} 11:48, 13 August 2013 (UTC)
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 * Comment - The claim to notability is that she was a socialite and heiress. She was the adopted daughter of Richard Sharp (politician) and a friends with Dora Wordsworth with whom she corresponded.  This correspondence has been noted in books, but they are mostly snippet views so context is lacking.  I suspect that she was notable for her time. -- Whpq (talk) 18:13, 16 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Keep I presume that Charles Kegan Paul was the noted publisher. The fact that he should write and publish her biography suggests notability.  I know that notability is not inherited, but I suspect that literary historians find such books useful as sources on notable authors.  If she was notable in her time, she is WP-notable now.  Peterkingiron (talk) 18:03, 17 August 2013 (UTC)

There are relatively few women in Wikipedia and there should be room for such a notable hostess who moved in such interesting circles as illustrated by the following, "‘…Dined with Bunburys….We left early & went to a party at Mrs Drummond’s, which was very pleasant. Lady Morley was there, and Miss Lister, to whom she introduced me; Westmacott, whom I do not think Mrs Drummond – from her open praise of him - has an idea of marrying; the Sydney Smiths, Milmans, Mr Babbage, Faraday, Professor Wheatstone – who is a little man, young with spectacles, whom I should never have looked at had I not been told he was a lion. Faraday was there to look at the lamps, which are his own sort and consume their own smoke, and are twice as brilliant as any others. Mrs Drummond’s house (in Hyde Park Gardens) is quite lovely. Sydney Smith’s idea is perfect – that the drawing room is the nearest thing to the Arabian Nights he ever saw. The walls are painted, the ceiling painted and gilt, the chairs white and gold, and looking glasses in all directions. Mrs Drummond was pleasant, as I think she generally is, and keeps her people well alive by always moving.’" (Gertrude Sullivan: A Family Chronicle, pub.1908.)
 * Keep This woman was extremely notable in her time and the fact that this not now recognized argues the case for her inclusion in Wikipedia. She was the wife of Thomas Drummond. Her adoptive father, Richard Sharp (politician) introduced her to many politicians, artists, and literary personalities of the era with whom she established herself as a popular hostess. She was romantically linked to the younger Romilly and to Macaulay, a favourite of the artist Turner and of her biographer Kegan Paul. She was popular with Sidney Smith, Wordsworth and many others. She states that she was instrumental in nurturing the romance between her friend Lord John Russell - the future Prime Minister -  and Lady Ribblesdale. Some distinct 'notability' lies in the great (and fully acknowledged) support that she gave her husband, Thomas Drummond, in his demanding position as Under-Secretary for Ireland (1835-1840).

Maria Kinnaird (Drummond) was a woman of Whig significance during the post-regency period and her Wikipedia entry should not be considered for deletion until Kegan Paul's biography of her (Maria Drummond - A Sketch) has been read and fully appreciated.

Mariakinnaird (talk) 19:28, 20 August 2013 (UTC)
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