Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Maria Pacolli


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was redirect to Behgjet Pacolli. ansh 666 02:16, 16 January 2018 (UTC)

Maria Pacolli

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No notable content on page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tátótát (talk • contribs) —Preceding undated comment added 17:17, 8 January 2014‎ (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: just found this never-transcluded 2014 AfD nom, but seeing the one-liner BLP it might actually merit further discussion, so I've completed the filing and am relisting to make it current

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Ben · Salvidrim!   &#9993;  17:05, 3 January 2018 (UTC)
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 * Keep Former First Lady of Kosovo per WP:POLOUTCOMES. Additional references to verify the claim of first lady are here, here, here. --Enos733 (talk) 21:33, 3 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Women-related deletion discussions. Coolabahapple (talk) 01:47, 5 January 2018 (UTC)


 * Keep I agree, keep per WP:POLOUTCOMES. Pacolli is the Former First Lady of Kosovo. Article should be expanded. Thsmi002 (talk) 03:32, 5 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Comment on WP:POLOUTCOMES - This WP:SUPPLEMENTAL information page (not policy or even guideline) says spouses of heads of states are "usually regarded as notable", not that they automatically are. Notability still has to be demonstrated, and a one-liner about a spouse of a guy who was head of state for a few weeks does not, IMHO, appear to establish any notability. WP:GNG is universal, and there is no SIGCOV about this lady in the article. List of spouses of heads of state will always consist of redlinks and redirects, especially for past, short-term spouses-of-heads-of-state.... I'd lean Weak Keep once the sources listed about by are in the article.  Ben · Salvidrim!   &#9993;  04:54, 5 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Comment: Sources added. --TheSandDoctor (talk) 16:43, 10 January 2018 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: WP:OUTCOMES is not a guideline and therefore not a good argument to make. Please discuss the sources.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  Sandstein   18:10, 10 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Comment In this case, WP:POLOUTCOMES provides a shorthand for a much longer discussion (see talk page) about the notability of a First spouse, because WP:NPOL does not specifically describe this position as being afforded the presumption of notability. That said, in the case of a first spouse, the community has accepted the presumption of notability to the holder of the position of First Spouse (time and again), and that presumption is found through the discussion in previous XfDs and currently expressed in WP:POLOUTCOMES. There is also WP:NOTINHERITED: "The fact of having a famous relative is not, in and of itself, sufficient to justify an independent article. Individuals in close, personal relationships with famous people (including politicians) can have an independent article even if they are known solely for such a relationship, but only if they pass WP:GNG. Newborn babies are not notable except for an heir to a throne or similar. Note, however, that this does not apply to situations where the fact of having a relationship to another person inherently defines a public position that is notable in its own right, such as a national First Lady." Note: this too is supplemental information. To summarize, the keep argument is spelled out in two different places, both in POLOUTCOMES and NOTINHERITED, both designed as guides for editors to consider when nominating an article for deletion. So, it is easier to just refer (in this circumstance) to WP:POLOUTCOMES and establish whether there information suggesting the subject was/is a first spouse is verifiable. In this case, there is. --Enos733 (talk) 21:15, 10 January 2018 (UTC)
 * For additional points about my argument, please see WP:Articles_for_deletion/Savita_Kovind. "While recognizing that consensus can change, one of the basic principles of this encyclopedia is that once a position is presumed notable, the position is notable across nations." --Enos733 (talk) 21:23, 10 January 2018 (UTC)


 * Redirect to Behgjet Pacolli. This article contains no content that isn't already present there, and no one here has suggested any content that could be placed here. If we have nothing new to write about, she should not have a stand-alone article. ~ Mable ( chat ) 21:39, 10 January 2018 (UTC)
 * I did just notice that our article on Behgjet does not currently mention Maria, so I suppose this would be more like a merging action. ~ Mable ( chat ) 18:16, 11 January 2018 (UTC)
 * His infobox says Masha Pacolli but it's a piped link to Maria Pacolli. I'm unclear whether we're getting a former and current wife confused or whether the two are alternative transliterations of the cyrillic "Мария"; also Behgjet's article doesn't have a "personal life" section. Ben · Salvidrim!   &#9993;  18:26, 11 January 2018 (UTC)
 * "Мария" is exactly "Maria". It's not clear why some sources call her "Masha" and others "Maria" (perhaps the first is a diminutive or pet name) but she is his second wife, and the first one was not named Masha. Mangoe (talk) 19:34, 11 January 2018 (UTC)


 * Redirect to Behgjet Pacolli. I too don't see having a separate stub article like this. Mangoe (talk) 15:12, 11 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep - First lady of a modern, sovereign nation. Article should be expanded using Albanian-language sources (which unfortunately I don't speak). Scanlan (talk) 03:04, 12 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Yea, my first thought was to tag with expand Albanian but the sqiki article sq:Maria Pacolli is somehow even shorter than the enwiki one, and unsourced to boot. Ben · Salvidrim!   &#9993;  03:11, 12 January 2018 (UTC)


 * Redirect We lack any evidence that the First Lady of Kosovo has any duties.John Pack Lambert (talk) 01:31, 16 January 2018 (UTC)


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