Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Maria Roszak (2nd nomination)


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The result was keep. Tone 18:59, 30 August 2020 (UTC)

Maria Roszak
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Although this has a little more substance than most of the supercentenarian articles removed over the last couple years, it's only a little. More than 27,000 people have been awarded "Righteous Among the Nations", and apart from that there are only a few small local media notes about her age. The article sure tries to puff it up as much as possible, but there's almost no actual substance; granted the language barrier might be an issue, but the Polish article actually has less sourcing. If I could think of a place to merge some of this I'd suggest that, but I'm not seeing anywhere. Also worth noting is the creator, who is now community banned, was topic banned from this area at the time he created this; he was an especially disruptive force in longevity articles for years. The Blade of the Northern Lights ( 話して下さい ) 18:45, 23 August 2020 (UTC)
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 * Delete Fails GNG. The only reason this article was created in the first place was because she reached the age of 110. This has been shown repeatedly at Afd to be insufficient to justify a stand-alone article.  First iteration of this article was speedy deleted and there is no apparent justification for it being recreated.   DerbyCountyinNZ  (Talk Contribs) 23:23, 23 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep. I agree that living to a 100+ years is not enough, in itself, to be make a person notable. But it can generate sufficient coverage to make someone pass NBIO. And this person also got the Righteous award. And when you combine those two, it is no surprise to find that there is plenty of coverage out there. Yes, the news sources present in the article are, IMHO, niche Polish portals, but  is a biographical entry at the reliable portal about the Righteous maintained by large and internationally famous museum (the POLIN Museum) and here is a link to her corresponding bio in the Yad Vashem entry. And a simple google search helps to find a lot more coverage (was WP:BEFORE followed? Seems doubtful...): there was also more coverage of her death in bigger news outlets (one thing to note is that they sometimes user her name Cecylia, as in Cecylia Roszak):  (The Times),  (Times of Israel),  (USA Today),  (The Independent),  (The Telegraph),  (Washington Post), and of course Polish ( - Wprost),  - Gazeta Wyborcza). That's a ton of reliable, first-class sources, and it is not just obituaries, as she had biographies in the Righteous databases long before her death (also there may be some archival news coverage of her receiving the award in 1984). She seems to have been written about in this Polish book  but I am not sure if the coverage is extensive (can't access most content) and if the publisher is reliable (through I think I tried looking into it a while ago and did not conclude it wasn't). IMHO it's a clear pass and, sorry to say, WP:TROUT for the nominator and the voter above who didn't bother with BEFORE. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here  05:29, 24 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Strong Keep Righteous amongst the Nations.  scope_creep Talk  11:18, 27 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep, as her heroic actions in WWII are covered by reliable sources as demonstrated by Piotrus.--Bob not snob (talk) 07:00, 30 August 2020 (UTC)


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