Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Maria Sastre


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep‎__EXPECTED_UNCONNECTED_PAGE__. Star  Mississippi  02:14, 14 November 2023 (UTC)

Maria Sastre

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Woman with a job, No indication of notability. Pepper Beast   (talk)  23:17, 31 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Businesspeople, Women,  and United States of America.   Pepper Beast    (talk)  23:17, 31 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Florida and New York.  WC  Quidditch   ☎   ✎  02:48, 1 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep I have added a few extended newspaper articles. Some of the sourcing on Sastre is in Spanish, so will benefit from someone well-versed in Spanish. I am sure there are more articles, and there is an interview that will provide biographical detail, though not establish notability. DaffodilOcean (talk) 10:29, 1 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep per DaffodilOcean. Mooonswimmer 22:42, 6 November 2023 (UTC)

Relisting comment: does sourcing meet required depth Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Star   Mississippi  01:48, 8 November 2023 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * Keep. I've evaluated the sources currently in the article in a table below:
 * In this table, we've got two reliable, independent sources that provide this individual with WP:SIGCOV (I'm counting the second Nuevo Herald article as being equivalent to the Tribune News Service article; the two are written sentence-for-sentence so similarly that one has to be a translation of the other). In addition to those sources, there are also some additional sources not in the article that seem to offer WP:SIGCOV from independent reliable sources, such as a 1995 article in The Miami Herald, a 1999 article in The Miami Herald, and a 2004 article in The Miami Herald. These appear to push this individual to be more clearly over the notability threshold than I had expected at the onset of looking at this; ultimately, these articles, plus the first two sources listed in the source assessment table, are the sources that convince me that this individual meets WP:NBASIC/WP:GNG.(As an aside: for filling in additional biographical details, there's of course interview that was mentioned above, as well as some other supplementary sources that don't contribute towards notability but could be used for that purpose, like the Orlando Business Journal, a Fortune Magazine list, Hispanic Executive, The Miami Herald, et cetera.) — Red-tailed hawk  (nest) 05:57, 12 November 2023 (UTC)


 *  Comment Keep I read the article and was ready to say "Yes, this subject is not notable," but then I got to the sources. Reliable publications have written non-trivial articles about Maria Sastre. My question is ...why? The original poster has a point: this is just a person who's had what looks like a successful but normal career. Did our fellow Wikieditors somehow draft this article and forget to say what Sastre did that was so important? Maybe the article should lead with something like "Sastre was the first person of Latin descent to hold position X" or "Sastre was the second woman to be elected to the board of Y" or whatever it was that made her so interesting to Miami Herald, Forbes, and el Nuevo Herald. Darkfrog24 (talk) 20:00, 12 November 2023 (UTC)
 * I’ve given a more extended response on the article’s talk page, but in short she was the first woman to rise to the rank of VP at United, and that she rose up the ranks as a Latina in the 1980s was also something particularly of note for the Cuban diaspora in South Florida. The article needs to be expanded to give more of that info, but, as always, if editing can improve the page, this should be done rather than deleting it. —  Red-tailed sock (Red-tailed hawk's nest) 22:30, 12 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Superb. Darkfrog24 (talk) 02:00, 13 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Okay, Red and I did some more work on the article to make it more obvious why Sastre's seemingly normal but successful career is notable. It now reads "Among other positions, she was the first female regional vice president of United Airlines, a position she held from 1995 to 1999. She has since gone on to leadership roles in several other aviation-related organizations. Fortune named her one of the 50 most powerful Latinas of 2017." This is now a confident Keep from me. Darkfrog24 (talk) 14:28, 13 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep, per the source analysis above which proves notability. This AfD is a really awesome example of how a simple nom can result in some incredible work that results in keeping a previously unremarkable article. Extra kudos to those who have improved the article during the AfD. ZsinjTalk 02:01, 14 November 2023 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.