Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Maria Toromanova-Hmelik


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   no consensus. Policy is that sourcing need not be in English for it to count towards notability or verifiability, and arguments based on the sources being in Bulgarian have been given less weight. Sjakkalle (Check!)  14:42, 9 June 2021 (UTC)

Maria Toromanova-Hmelik

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Fails WP;GNG can't find any significant coverage about her. Urartuvanking (talk) 08:10, 25 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions. Urartuvanking (talk) 08:10, 25 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Actors and filmmakers-related deletion discussions. Urartuvanking (talk) 08:10, 25 May 2021 (UTC)
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 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Delete would have redirected to the film but that doesn't exist on WP. Unverifiable, unsourced, no current search. Best Alexandermcnabb (talk) 10:35, 25 May 2021 (UTC)
 * You must be looking at the wrong page, this is the AfD for Maria Toromanova-Hmelik, an article with several sources, some of them online. – Uanfala (talk) 12:19, 25 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep: Played a significant role in a notable film and several in theatre. The online sources are all pretty rubbish, but the offline source is an entry in the Encyclopedia of Bulgarian Theatre - the fact that she has an entry there tends to indicate notability imo. Furius (talk) 14:55, 26 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete - In addition to what Furius said, I strongly believe offline and non-English language sources are going to be where this subject establishes herself in meeting WP:GNG or WP:NACTOR. This academic book, Bulgarian 20th Century in the Arts and Culture calls the subject a "prominent theatre actress". However, I did not find anything else about her, anywhere, outside of that - even searching "Мария Николова Тороманова-Хмелик". Therefore I'm not convinced she passes WP:NACTOR for inclusion in English Wikipedia. Even the Bulgarian Wikipedia article is poorly sourced. I'd be happy to see it drafted if folks think sourcing will magically appear in the next six months. Missvain (talk) 00:57, 28 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Seareching for "Мария Николова Тороманова-Хмелик" comes up with almost no results because in Bulgarian a person's full name (including the middle name) is almost never used. – Uanfala (talk) 13:12, 29 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Comment I'm not confident enough to cast a !vote, but some sources need to be assessed here: Encyclopedia of Bulgarian Theatre (bg), The Bulgarian Cinema and others like . As Uanfala points out, a strict search for the full name, including middle name, is not really useful. MarioGom (talk) 13:03, 30 May 2021 (UTC)

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 * Delete Non-notable Bulgarian actress. --Whiteguru (talk) 11:25, 4 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep: Has appeared in prominent roles in film and was engaged as an actress at the Ivan Vazov National Theatre, which is Bulgaria's national theatre, and therefore passes WP:NACTOR. Meets WP:BIO in my opinion. That she doesn't have much of a digital/internet presence, I suspect has to do with her "heyday" being in the early 20th-century. Confident there must be some offline sources. ExRat (talk) 08:54, 9 June 2021 (UTC)