Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Maria treben


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. John254 18:08, 11 December 2008 (UTC)

Maria treben

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Subject not notable. Article sounds somewhat like an advertisement. Graymornings (talk) 11:14, 7 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Maria Treben is one of the most famous natural medicine healers of the Twnetieth century. She has helped thousands of people with her personal advice and with the books she has written. She is known throughout the world and is a regular reference for anybody seeking an alternative health solution to their condition. —Preceding unsigned comment added by PhilippeGenlain (talk • contribs) 11:19, 7 December 2008 (UTC)


 * The only sources for this article seem to be self-published, which violates WP:SPS. If there are reliable sources for this article, please include them. These might include newspaper articles, books, or web sites that reference your subject. You can refer to WP:SOURCES if you're not familiar with Wikipedia policy. Graymornings (talk) 11:25, 7 December 2008 (UTC)


 * She has sold over 8 million copies of her book in 24 languages. (Do you know that a best seller usually only sells a few thousand copies!!) Here's the ISBN for her book: ISBN 13: 978-3-85068-124-7 Please take into account that if 8 million people have spent money on buying her book then millions more people would expect to have a referece for her in Wikipedia. —Preceding unsigned comment added by PhilippeGenlain (talk • contribs) 11:34, 7 December 2008 (UTC)


 *  Delete  - per Graymornings. The article needs other sources, not a self-published one. Dekisugi (talk) 11:39, 7 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Gimme some time till Wednesday. There are plenty of third party sources - not only from the pseudo-healers realm (all positive) but from mainstream academia too (all dismissive, to put it mildly). The lady definitely had an impact in her trade. NVO (talk) 13:23, 7 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Change to keep. The new articles about the subject show her notability, but it needs more improvement. Dekisugi (talk) 08:32, 9 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Delete - no independent reliable sources to establish notability. Now where's that Wiki "rule" about articles about people that aren't properly capitalized?--Boffob (talk) 13:05, 7 December 2008 (UTC)


 * keep a google news search seems to find some suitable references. once the article is rewritten based on them it should be fine. Jessi1989 (talk) 13:20, 7 December 2008 (UTC)


 * keepFair enough it is my first contribution to Wikipedia. I specialize in the history of Medicine and especially in the transition period XVIth to XIXth century between traditional and allopathic medicine. I saw that Wikipedia was lacking a lot of information on famous herbalists so wanted to contribute something. This is just a start. I will enhance and update it. How do you change the title?? I have been trawling all editing notes but cannot find how to change Treben to capital T. Thanks. philippe.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by PhilippeGenlain (talk • contribs) 14:54, 7 December 2008 (UTC)
 * WP:MOVE explained on usertalk. - Eldereft (cont.) 16:44, 8 December 2008 (UTC)


 * weak keep The style of writing is a bit awkward.....and it needs more links. But we don't need to delete it. Maybe a cleanup or two would be good. ♣ Princess  Clown  ♥ 16:10, 7 December 2008 (UTC)
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 * keep I have updated the content and the references. Can someone please help me change treben in the title to have a capital T. Thanks! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.141.171.133 (talk) 09:21, 8 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Articles are usually moved after deletion discussions are over to avoid links failing. - Mgm|(talk) 09:44, 8 December 2008 (UTC)
 * I've moved the article to avoid diverting the debate over this point. The redirect should hopefully fix the links problem. Espresso Addict (talk) 09:11, 9 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep per availability of reliable sources. --Steven Fruitsmaak (Reply) 20:07, 8 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment You can change the article's title by moving the page (click move link at top of article), but you should wait until this AfD discussion is complete so links aren't stuffed up. - Allied45 (talk) 02:00, 9 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Weak Keep the books are probably sufficient as published works, along with the article about her. It would be good to try to find a contemporary book review or two; I think that would settle the matter. DGG (talk) 05:46, 9 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Austria-related deletion discussions.   —Grahame (talk) 01:36, 10 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep I have included a book review to complete the references.


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