Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Mariah Carey's 14th Studio Album


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

Okay. This AfD has a clear consensus to delete, but I am going to perform the close this way: I am going to move this to the Draft namespace (we have it for a reason, so le'ts use it) and move-protect it to avoid somebody single-handedly moving it back to mainspace. I won't leave a redirect, and I will salt Mariah Carey's 14th Studio Album to avoid it being recreated.  → Call me  Hahc  21  15:55, 15 March 2014 (UTC)

Mariah Carey's 14th Studio Album

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Don't be fooled by that impressive source list: they aren't about the album. There are two year old publicity quotes about an album she was making two years ago. There are sources about a single that was released two years ago. There are sources that claim that after she releases the album she will tour to support it (not a big surprise). But there's no confirmed title. There's no track list. There's a supposed release date, but it's the fifth announced release data for the album, which means that it has no credibility whatsoever. The album is vapour, the article is about vapour. Per WP:NALBUMS and the ever popular essay WP:HAMMER, this thing needs to be deleted and stay deleted until there is a title and a release date and a confirmed tracklist. &mdash;Kww(talk) 22:26, 8 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Automated comment: This AfD was not correctly transcluded to the log (step 3). I have transcluded it to Articles for deletion/Log/2014 March 8.  — cyberbot I  Notify Online 22:38, 8 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Delete Per WP:HAMMER. This is a bit of a crystal ball. I wouldn't oppose incubation, but considering that most of the article is padded press releases and speculation, it's probably better to start from scratch (if and) when the album is actually about to be released. Adabow (talk) 22:50, 8 March 2014 (UTC)
 * I feel I should put on popcorn for this one. There's going to be an interesting article section when it finally comes out about the pre-release delays, running through the timeline of each announced event.  Until it's out it's a case of wp:CRYSTAL and probably not suitable for inclusion as an article.  But there are a lot of links there so Incubate and when it's out we'll have all of them to hand to create a good article. Neonchameleon (talk) 00:43, 9 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Note that the incubator has been closed as a failed project.&mdash;Kww(talk) 01:41, 9 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Incubation can still be carried out in the Draft namespace. See WP:DRAFTS. Adabow (talk) 03:20, 9 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Point, although there are drafts (as Adabow points out). That said, I'd rather redirect than delete because it keeps the log intact for other people to work from when we get an album.  Or if. Neonchameleon (talk) 03:52, 9 March 2014 (UTC)


 * Delete – This article has been the biggest violation of WP:CRYSTAL for the last two years. Drafting can be done as Adabow points out. — Indian: BIO  · [ ChitChat  ] 05:47, 9 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Keep/Incubate - It's being released in eight weeks guys. Less than two months. So many other artists album article are open for way longer prior to release. What's the point of deleting an article that will have to be recreated potentially very soon. What if she drops the track list next week? It will have to be recreated again. As you said, this article has existed for two (because Mariah has pushed it back about three times now), so what will another seven/eight weeks do to harm anyone? Seriously. —  ₳aron  11:25, 9 March 2014 (UTC)
 * So your argument is that because two years ago you someone created it when you he should have known better, we might as well keep it around? There's no reason to believe that any of the material in this article has any relationship to the final product, which is why you he shouldn't have created an article about it. WP:NALBUMS is a guideline precisely because of problematic articles like this one.&mdash;Kww(talk) 18:18, 9 March 2014 (UTC) Note that Calvin999 only created the redirect, not the main body of the article&mdash;Kww(talk) 18:23, 9 March 2014 (UTC)
 * No. How was I supposed to know that she would delay it three times in two years? I'm pretty sure I created it and redirected it anyway. A lot of the info in this article is relevant to it. What's the point in deleting all the info to only have to recreate it again. You know that if this article is deleted, it won't stop IP editors from recreating it under various different titles, which will just being more hassle. I've voiced my opinion, I don't expect you to agree, but I also don't expect you to be sarcastic and trolling. I don't see why this is only becoming an issue now, when the album is not far from being released. —  ₳aron  21:12, 9 March 2014 (UTC)
 * But, Calvin, you did know that the album didn't have a confirmed title, tracklist, and release data, and I'm certain that you knew that was and is the general standard for when an article should be created. I'm sorry you see sarcasm in my comments: it's actually frustration.&mdash;Kww(talk) 03:10, 10 March 2014 (UTC)
 * There's nothing wrong with creating a redirect for a future article. I'm pretty sure I didn't create it and put info in it straight away. It was so long ago now. Like I said, the album is about to be released very soon. This whole discussion is pointless now. We are arguing over the deletion of something that in a few weeks will be created again. 10:48, 10 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Here in statements like this lies the greatest problem pertaining to this article. How do you know that in a few weeks time the album will be released? If there was an official confirmation and track listing and shipment dates and all, then it would not have violated CRYSTAL, however, Carey has delayed the project for whatsoever reasons umpteen number of times to warrant any faith that it can be used to keep the article since there will be an album. — Indian: BIO  · [ ChitChat  ] 06:07, 12 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of United States of America-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 13:32, 9 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Albums and songs-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 13:32, 9 March 2014 (UTC)


 * Redirect to Mariah Carey or Delete for now. When name of album is revealed, it can be recreated. XXSNUGGUMSXX (talk) 23:50, 9 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Delete – A new article can be created after the title and track listing is announced. MariAna_MiMi (Talk) 11:16, 11 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Delete – We have waited for two years, and the release was delayed and delayed for times. All I have seen here is WP:CRYSTAL. When the title is officially announced (promoted) and the final tracklisting is revealed, the article can be re-created. Bluesatellite (talk) 01:53, 12 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Keep, because it's going to be released shortly and even a quick glance at the article shows that there is plenty of relevant information that makes it a notable topic. Since Kww has noted that this is the fifth announced release date, I would reconsider my stance if this release does not happen as planned. WikiRedactor (talk) 20:15, 12 March 2014 (UTC)
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