Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Marian Colby Chandler


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Marian Colby Chandler

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Forget the fact that this fictional female character had an affair with Tad Martin, her daughter's (Liza Colby's) then-boyfriend, and became a wife of Stuart Chandler, a twin of Adam Chandler. What about this character herself and her own background? Is she notable for anything else and on her own other than Tad and Stuart? Even violating WP:PLOT does not help matters and worsens the quality of this stand-alone article. Even she is mentioned in the "Tad Martin" article and in briefly the "List of All My Children characters" page; I don't think WP:ATD should be that possible with these conditions. In fact, I don't think redirecting to any page, such as Tad Martin, Stuart Chandler, Liza Colby, or List of All My Children characters, is the best or good alternative to deletion. George Ho (talk) 23:42, 15 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Television-related deletion discussions.  • Gene93k (talk) 00:57, 16 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Fictional elements-related deletion discussions.  • Gene93k (talk) 00:57, 16 November 2011 (UTC)


 * Redirect - Her paragraph on the List of All My Children characters page is a nice, short summary of the most important stuff she did in the series. We don't need a long, unrefernced article about every single relationship she had or every single fight she got into in the soap opera. This article is a copyvio anyway. --Madison-chan (talk) 22:31, 16 November 2011 (UTC)
 * To everyone else: Please re-consider taking this comment seriously; this user has been blocked for sockpuppetry. --George Ho (talk) 05:50, 19 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Redirect per Madison-chan - even sockpuppet accounts that were apparently created for the sole purpose of taking part in AfD discussions can occasionally deviate into making good suggestions and this, in my opinion, was such a (possibly rare) occasion. PWilkinson (talk) 21:39, 19 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Redirecting to Tad Martin is likely considerate; however, it also overshadows this female character. I don't know how notable Liza Colby is other than as then-girlfriend of Tad Martin and as part of Tad Martin's triangle with Colbys.  How notable is Stuart Chandler?  Regardless, she is not worth redirecting or merging to there; Stuart and Marian together are not notable together.  "List of All My Children characters" has a brief note on her which is too short .  "List of All My Children miscellaneous characters" ("Minor Characters of All My Children") has been deleted numerous times for copyright infringements from websites and for being a (re)creation by users who violate their block or ban per G5.  Her interactions with others are not notable either. To where should she be redirected? --George Ho (talk) 23:41, 19 November 2011 (UTC)


 *  Keep "forget the fact that a character in a show had relationships of various sorts with other characters. what did she do herself?" Characters in a show are there for the very purpose of relating to other characters--that's what drama is mostly about and has been for several millennia. Anything else they do is usually mere background. Significant characters in major shows deserve enough coverage that someone who has not seen the show can understand to some degree a conversation about them without sounding like a fool. Not enough to make them sound like an expert, but something. A short article is usually enough, or several paragraphs in a combination article. It really doesn't matter which, except that in practice proper sections in combined articles become single paragraphs which usually become single sentences by attrition, and then a name on a list., and then, why even mention any but the most important if they're going to be just a name on a list, and thus an encyclopedia loses information.   DGG ( talk ) 16:32, 22 November 2011 (UTC)  ,
 * In general, you have a point. What about this character?  She and Tad Martin are notable together as a failed couple for lifetime.  Is she herself "significant"?  Can this article about a less notable or non-notable character stand on its own?  Does the article's subject follow WP:GNG besides by soap opera periodicals?  Generally, fictional characters should not have their own articles if only they do not follow the WP:GNG regardless of any WikiProject.  For example, Erica Kane and Sherlock Holmes totally follow WP:GNG because they have been mentioned in non-soap publications, such as television news, TV-related periodicals (e.g. TV Guide), non-soap newspapers (e.g. London newspapers), and others.  On the other hand, characters of Reba (TV series) (yes, including the fictional Reba herself) and former UPN comedy shows do not follow WP:GNG enough to have their own articles stand on their own and/or to have their articles created because they have not been covered in publications either very much or at all.  --George Ho (talk) 23:41, 22 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep, or Redirect to List of All My Children characters. I see no reason that this information should be lost. I agree with DGG's argument.  Jujutacular  talk 19:34, 23 November 2011 (UTC)


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