Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Marianna Biernacka


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The result was keep. Notable enough (small amount of references) (non-admin closure) Vacation nine 03:15, 27 November 2012 (UTC)

Marianna Biernacka

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I think Saints are considered notable here--there will always be sufficient documentation. But she is Beatified but not yet canonized.  DGG ( talk ) 00:58, 12 November 2012 (UTC)


 * Keep -- I earlier suggested merging with 108 Martyrs of World War II. Changed my vote since there is plenty of documentation on individuals who are beatified, or Blessed; they are venerated as a saint would be but with certain restrictions, such as confining veneration to a certain geographic area, or a particular group. Potential saints are beatified in small numbers, so I would suggest that they are notable; notable enough to have institutions such as schools named after them. In the case of Marianna Biernacka, she is one of the 108 Martyrs of World War II and was beatified as a member of this group. But, there are a number of articles on beatified individuals including several members of the 108 martyrs. There is plenty of documentation for Biernacka, I'll add a couple of sources for the article on Biernacka. OttawaAC (talk) 01:31, 12 November 2012 (UTC)
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 * Weak keep. I'd think hat all people who were beatified are notable (disclaimer: I consider myself non-religious). She also seems to be mentioned in a number of reliable sources, so there is some depth of coverage out there. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 21:13, 12 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete. Sourcing is very weak.  Just passing mentions.  Doesn't meet WP:BIO or WP:42 or WP:GNG.  The bar for notability in biographies is much higher than is being presumed above. Qworty (talk) 02:44, 15 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Keep. Sourcing may be weak, but it is not non-existent, and some of it at least is reliable (book sources).  The entry in Saintly Women of Modern Times in particular is substantial.  There is not much known, but there is no prohibition here on short articles so long as they are verifiable and notable.  I agree with others above that beatification is intrinsically notable, it requires an Apostolic Letter from the Pope and will usually be widely covered in RS, at the very least in Sedis, the journal of record for the Holy See.  Spinning  Spark  18:18, 19 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  MBisanz  talk 00:12, 20 November 2012 (UTC)


 * keep the sourcing is reliable, in secondary sources and independent of the subject and some is substantial.--Salix (talk): 09:03, 20 November 2012 (UTC)
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