Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Marianne Burgman


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The result was no consensus. The primary disagreement here comes from interpretation of local coverage/significant coverage. Ultimately, there is no consensus on the veracity (or otherwise) of the sources, and therefore I am restricted with this being the only close available. Daniel (talk) 02:59, 16 July 2021 (UTC)

Marianne Burgman

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I think this fails WP:NPOL. Mayor of a small village and a town.  scope_creep Talk  14:37, 21 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete - just the coverage you'd expect of any small town mayor. Does not meet either WP:GNG or WP:NPOL.  Onel 5969  TT me 15:10, 21 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Politicians-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 15:26, 21 June 2021 (UTC)
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 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Delete - Failure of WP:NPOL and the obituaries don't show any accomplishments that would make her an exception to the non-notability of mayors. She did resign because of some local mismanagement, but there's no coverage beyond what is to be expected from a small-town mayor. - Tristan Surtel (talk) 17:17, 21 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete does not pass WP:NPOL and I don’t see what else would make the subject notable. Mccapra (talk) 18:58, 21 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep meeting GNG. As of now, there is only looked at sources after her death (and there plenty more of them). But to establish notability I did some investigation in older secondary sources. See here an 2008 article of national news source Trouw. The article also refers to the 2005 book Als dat maar goed gaat. Bestuurlijke ervaringen met crises (see here at bol.com) with a long interview with her. In 2010 she was in the national news due to a wine incident, apart from all the news articles, see for instance AT5 here that reflects that the incident had national news coverage. When she stepped down in 2011 it was news at among others the main national news source NOS (see here). And she had coverage in local news sources, some samples: 1, 2, 3. Note that local news sources are counting for WP:GNG. I ping former voters and  to be aware about these new (for them) secondary sources, and might be able to reconsider their vote. SportsOlympic (talk) 21:00, 21 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep. Per references and other sources, clearly meets the requirements of WP:NPOL #2 and the WP:GNG. gidonb (talk) 04:40, 22 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete I do not think the references provided demonstrate anywhere near enough coverage for a mayor of a town of 4,000/15,000 people. The "national news" articles are three sentences long. Every mayor everywhere will receive some sort of coverage, and I don't think the coverage presented (of the town cleaning up after a disaster, basically) are enough to get her to notability. SportingFlyer  T · C  19:43, 27 June 2021 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, 78.26  (spin me / revolutions) 17:29, 2 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Its not correct the national news articles are 3 sentences long. The “Trouw” reference is a whole article about her. SportsOlympic (talk) 07:35, 3 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Comment. Most delete opinions including the nomination should be discounted (i.e. ignored) as misinformed and thus misleading for subsequent opinions. Qualifications of village and small town and the associated population figures refer only to Maarn and Bunnik, while the longest and most significant mayoral position that Burgman held was that of De Ronde Venen. Unfortunately, the downplaying of career achievements of female professionals happens too often at Wikipedia. gidonb (talk) 18:55, 3 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep. I'm not aware of any notability guideline in this context that requires us to ignore routine and/or local coverage. (The only possibilities are WP:AUD, which applies only to corporations, and WP:ROUTINE, which applies only to events.) The question that the GNG is asking is essentially "can I write a policy-compliant non-stub article with this coverage?" and the answer to that question is clearly "yes" in light of the good deal of coverage that's been found. Extraordinary Writ (talk) 00:27, 10 July 2021 (UTC)


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