Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Marianne Kreuz


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The result was delete. If somebody wants to create a redirect, that can be done as a separate action. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont)  14:28, 27 February 2018 (UTC)

Marianne Kreuz

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No evidence of anything other then inherited notability (well for one of the two people it seems to be about). In fact half the article is about someone else entirely and does not even talk about Marianne Kreuz (apart from one or two throw away lines about her death, thus she was not even on this journey).Slatersteven (talk) 09:31, 19 February 2018 (UTC)
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 * in actuality most of it is about the journey to Paris, with only about the last three or four lines being about finding out about the death and coming home. I shall; remove the rest.Slatersteven (talk) 09:07, 20 February 2018 (UTC)


 * Userfy (assuming mainspacing mistake) Delete. Maybe even Speedy. Utter mess. Does not seem to assert notability, and beyond that it is a disjointed list of bullets - the bottom half of the article is not totally about a different person - it seems to be about Mrs Marx traveling back to Kreuz's funeral and the timing of the funeral. Regardless - BEFORE doesn't show that all that much was written about this handmaiden in the household of the esteemed revolutionary socialist.Icewhiz (talk) 14:06, 19 February 2018 (UTC) Changiing to userfy, per 24.151.116.12's comment, and looking at Konsumtion's contributions/article-creation notes - this seems like notes for a draft and not something ready to be mainspaced. I'm not convinced subject is notable from my BEFORE - but I might be missing something (variant spelling, references to her by private name, etc.).Icewhiz (talk) 07:47, 20 February 2018 (UTC)
 * Redirect to Helene Demuth, where the sentence about her that I just added to the article lede is reliably sourced to a bio of Marx by Jonathan Sperber and can be usefully added to the Demuth article as per WP:PRESERVE.   Mariannne was the younger sister of Marx's housekeeper Helene Demuth.; Marianne worked as a housemaid for the Marx family for several years.  Keeping is useful in part because there has been ongoing interest in the fact that Karl Marx kept servants, and in part because so many rumours surround these servants and the question of whether Marx fathered a child by one of them - historians disagree.  I did not find enough about her to support a separate article; if soneome does, feel free to ping me to reconsider.E.M.Gregory (talk) 15:36, 19 February 2018 (UTC)
 * Comment I suspect the author intended this as working notes for an article or articles, not unlike the similarly bullet-pointed User:Konsumtion/Gustav Schiermeyer and User:Konsumtion/Henry Julian Hunter. Userfying might be the best result. 24.151.116.12 (talk) 17:28, 19 February 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete I really don't see how this person warrants an article. Yes, she may have been mentioned in a book, however she was not the topic and here life was not particularly notable. She was the sister of someone that worked for someone famous. Possibly, the information could be moved to another article, but even that is questionable. 06:27, 25 February 2018 (UTC)
 * Just to be clear, she is verified as having worked for Karl Marx.E.M.Gregory (talk) 22:24, 25 February 2018 (UTC)


 * Delete -- I too see nothing in this article meriting its preservation. The only possible interest is that she was a servant in the Marx household, but that is inherited notability, which we do not allow.  Clearly NN, despite her employer's extreme notability.  Peterkingiron (talk) 15:21, 25 February 2018 (UTC)
 * Added another academic book that includes her role in the Marx household. I continue to think that there is enough here to merit Redirect of a one-or two sentence bit about her to the Demuth article as per WP:PRESERVE.E.M.Gregory (talk) 22:34, 25 February 2018 (UTC)
 * Not sure she is ever going to come up as a search, if she is only mentioned in a couple of books in a few sentences. But certainly a merge is viable (not that it will be much).Slatersteven (talk) 09:53, 26 February 2018 (UTC)
 * Just so, a redirect to the Demuth article, to which a single sentence now in the lede "Kreuz, the younger half-sister of Marx's housekeeper Helene Demuth, worked for the Marx family as a housemaid for several years in the late 1850s and early 1860s." with the two sources that the sentence now has.E.M.Gregory (talk) 13:43, 26 February 2018 (UTC)
 * Why would we need am redirect, I thought they were for situations where a term might crop up in a search but was not the title of a page?Slatersteven (talk) 10:19, 27 February 2018 (UTC)


 * Redirect to Helene Demuth per above. Agathoclea (talk) 12:19, 27 February 2018 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.