Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Mariano Zagone


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The result was    Delete. There is a consensus below that the sources provided are not sufficient to support the claim that he was "the earliest known Chicago mob boss" or was otherwise notable. Eluchil404 (talk) 05:09, 14 June 2011 (UTC)

Mariano Zagone

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The Mariano Zagone article does not pass WP:BIO (Crime). Vic49 (talk)  00:37, 6 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions.  — -- Cirt (talk) 07:51, 6 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Crime-related deletion discussions.  -- --Vic49  (talk)  14:05, 6 June 2011 (UTC) (UTC)


 * Keep. The "earliest identified Chicago Mafia boss" would seem to me to be notable for curiosity value if nothing else. In any case, is the Mafia not somewhat important in Chicago's history? I would have thought that the heads of the organisation would meet notability criteria - the fact he is not such a well-known one is irrelevant. -- Necrothesp (talk) 15:40, 6 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Comment I could not find any references to prove Zagone was "boss of a Mafia group in Chicago", he is mentioned in ref "First in violence, deepest in dirt: homicide in Chicago, 1875-1920 By Jeffrey S. Adler" pg.190 as a 40 year old cigar maker that was shot. (he could have been involved with the black hand ? But no mention to him as a boss). Another ref The Black Hand: Terror by Letter in Chicago By Robert M. Lombardo pg.36, 86 again he was a cigar maker, killed. --Vic49 (talk)  16:34, 6 June 2011 (UTC)


 * Keep - Vic69 first of all you nominated the article for you to then do a delte argument is not correct, change the name to a comment. Saying keep Per the fact that he was The "earliest identified Chicago Mafia boss".--BabbaQ (talk) 17:21, 6 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Comment I cant find any reference to prove he was a Mafia boss in Chicago. He was just a cigar maker, that was killed. --Vic49 (talk)  20:23, 6 June 2011 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom, it seems that a 2006 book would identify him as the "earliest identified Chicago Mafia boss" rather than a cigar maker if that were true, I cannot indentify the publication cited in the article to support this fact. That book is the only reliable source that I can find about this, i'm open to changing my !vote if a reliable source to the contrary can be produced. Quasi human  &#124;  Talk  21:06, 6 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete. The Informer reference devotes one paragraph to him on page 40 stating that he "appears to have served for a time as a leader... on the Near North Side." One paragraph in one reference that isn't even certain of the claim fails WP:GNG, WP:BIO, etc. Location (talk) 21:26, 6 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Comment - also, leader does not necessarily mean the same as boss, boss means head of an organisation, while leader could mean head of a section of that organisation. The source as quoted by Location does not say that he was the earliest boss, this claim looks like synthesis of published material at the least. Quasi human &#124;  Talk


 * Delete Sadly, I agree with the deletes. He only has 75 hits for GTest with his name in quotes.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 22:18, 6 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete. I'd like to say "keep" but I can't find any WP:RS to back it up with.  Nipson anomhmata   (Talk) 12:52, 7 June 2011 (UTC)
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