Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Marid (Dungeons & Dragons)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was merge to Index of Advanced Dungeons & Dragons 1st edition monsters. -- RoySmith (talk) 13:52, 15 October 2016 (UTC)

Marid (Dungeons & Dragons)

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This article fails to establish notability. TTN (talk) 23:17, 29 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Fictional elements-related deletion discussions. TTN (talk) 23:18, 29 September 2016 (UTC)
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 * Keep or merge to Index of Advanced Dungeons & Dragons 1st edition monsters. BOZ (talk) 05:23, 30 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep in that and  both cover Marids that appear to be more influenced by D&D's instantiation of them, rather than what we see at Marid, the more traditional Islamic mythological creature, even though neither mentions D&D explicitly.  Failing that, merging per BOZ would be acceptable. Jclemens (talk) 05:42, 30 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Merge to Index of Advanced Dungeons & Dragons 1st edition monsters. Aoba47 (talk) 17:34, 30 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep per Jclemens. FreeKnowledgeCreator (talk) 21:11, 30 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Science fiction-related deletion discussions. Necrothesp (talk) 13:58, 5 October 2016 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: No consensus reached about whether to merge or keep yet Yellow Dingo&#160;(talk) 00:11, 7 October 2016 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Yellow Dingo&#160;(talk)</b> 00:11, 7 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Merge to Index of Advanced Dungeons & Dragons 1st edition monsters. There are no reliable, independent sources that talk about the marid specifically as it is used in Dungeons & Dragons.  An apparent influence is not enough; we'd need reliable sources explicitly talking about the influence of the D&D description of the marid. Howicus (Did I mess up?) 04:45, 7 October 2016 (UTC)
 * So why not merge to Marid instead? See, that's the rub here--there are two perfectly valid merge targets: the list of game creatures, or the base article for the mythological creature on which the fictional element is based. Jclemens (talk) 21:20, 8 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Redirect to Index of Advanced Dungeons & Dragons 1st edition monsters. There's nothing to merge as the article appears to be mostly a self-cited essay. I don't believe that Marid is a suitable target for the merge, as this content would be trivia ("cruft") for that article and could be deleted. Better to redirect to an in-universe target. Anything useful can be picked up from the article history. — Preceding unsigned comment added by K.e.coffman (talk • contribs) 07:21, 9 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Merge as above. Jclemens's argument, as far as I can see, is essentially that it looks like the subject may have been influential in some way, but that we have no evidence of this. That doesn't seem like good evidence of notability. If we had a third party source commenting on its influence, then yes; currently, no. Josh Milburn (talk) 16:12, 9 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Merge to Index of Advanced Dungeons & Dragons 1st edition monsters and /or Marid as editors may deem appropriate, but on its own the article does not establish notability through third-party coverage.  Sandstein   08:02, 15 October 2016 (UTC)


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