Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Marie-Therese Emma Caraher-Gilbert


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The result was Delete. Michig (talk) 07:15, 16 March 2018 (UTC)

Marie-Therese Emma Caraher-Gilbert

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Declined PROD. Non-notable subject lacking significant coverage in reliable, third party sources. Previously deleted after discussion in 2007. Article creator a possible conflict of interest. --Animalparty! (talk) 01:24, 9 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Women-related deletion discussions. --Animalparty! (talk) 01:25, 9 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Beauty pageants-related deletion discussions. --Animalparty! (talk) 01:25, 9 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of New Zealand-related deletion discussions. --Animalparty! (talk) 01:25, 9 March 2018 (UTC)

Please state what is considered to be reliable sources and the article is not a conflict of interest User: Enoch Gilbert 04:11, 9 March 2018 (NZDT)
 * Are you related to the subject of the article? DerbyCountyinNZ  (Talk Contribs) 03:18, 9 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Yes, but let's say that I wasn't and was a fan and created the article, would you call it a conflict of interest? Me being a member of her family should not be a problem. I am looking for the appropriate reference. User: Enoch Gilbert 04:38, 9 March 2018(NZDT)
 * You need to read Conflict of interest. DerbyCountyinNZ  (Talk Contribs) 03:48, 9 March 2018 (UTC)

Thank you for informing me on COI, but lets go back to where i said if i was a fan, would i be able to create this article? It is not a public harresment for the subject of the article has approved of the idea. User:Enoch Gilbert 05:08, 9 March 2018 (NZDT)
 * Please see WP:BASIC: "People are presumed notable if they have received significant coverage in multiple published secondary sources that are reliable, intellectually independent of each other, and independent of the subject. If the depth of coverage in any given source is not substantial, then multiple independent sources may be combined to demonstrate notability; trivial coverage of a subject by secondary sources may not be sufficient to establish notability." Reliable sources generally include newspapers, magazines, and other sources with editorial oversight (so we can be reasonably sure the information in them is true). See identifying reliable sources. Fan made websites such as this one, or other self-published sources, are not considered reliable. zoomaruba.com is a directory entry, neither reliable nor significant coverage. The St. Ignatius News appears to be an extremely local source. The Family Life magazine article you've added appears to be the only source with any significant, independent coverage, but it looks like more like a human interest story: people usually don't get into encyclopedias because they take their family traveling. More sources of this caliber would allow for clearer indication of notability. If the Mrs. New Zealand pageant is notable, than there is a potential claim to notability. Quality sources are key. --Animalparty! (talk) 04:52, 9 March 2018 (UTC)


 * Delete - No real WP:RS and while researching, there was no NZer at Miss World in 2006 the year she was suppose to have represented us Miss_World_2006 and the user who wrote the article got the wrong place, it was in Poland, not Russia. Calls the other stuff into question. NZFC  (talk) 05:20, 9 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Note that Gilbert was apparently Mrs. New Zealand, not Miss New Zealand. --Animalparty! (talk) 05:58, 9 March 2018 (UTC)


 * Delete - WP:BLP fail. Not yet notable. Siddiqsazzad001   (TALK)    05:40, 9 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete does not meet WP:GNG after a source search turned up no WP:RS. SportingFlyer  talk  05:51, 9 March 2018 (UTC)


 * Delete does not pass WP:NMODEL or WP:ENT. Too soon for an article. Legacypac (talk) 06:39, 9 March 2018 (UTC)


 * Keep - How many reliable sources do i need to suite the conditions? Please list problems that need to be fixed. Is it possible to put it on the back burner as in making it not public? Trying to find the Campbell live interveiw with Marie Therese (Mrs New Zealand) and Jaquie Brown video as a possible referenceUser: Enoch Gilbert 07:47, 9 March 2018
 * More than one reliable source is needed. See Articles for deletion for a description of this process. This discussion will last for at least 7 days to reach a consensus. --Animalparty! (talk) 06:52, 9 March 2018 (UTC)
 * See WP:OVERCOME Legacypac (talk) 07:22, 9 March 2018 (UTC)


 * Delete Complete absence of significant reliable sources. The only person arguing for keep seems to be a relative of the article subject. Need I say more?104.163.147.121 (talk) 09:50, 9 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete The references listed aren't even linked from any in-text citations, and the subject clearly isn't notable. I would also agree that there are WP:COI issues.  Sparkyb10123 (talk) 23:51, 10 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Strong Delete. I would like to add that the article’s creator is her husband. I know because he created an article for his family, which was deleted, that basically was just a list of all the family members.  I think this article should be treated similar to a vanity autobiography except in this case by proxy.  MensanDeltiologist (talk) 14:24, 12 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Article creator is not subject's husband — Preceding unsigned comment added by 103.229.248.166 (talk) 05:27, 13 March 2018‎
 * comment according to one of the sources, Enoch is her son not her husband. Canterbury Tail talk 01:01, 14 March 2018 (UTC)


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