Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Marie Bernátková


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The result was delete. Drmies (talk) 03:28, 17 October 2015 (UTC)

Marie Bernátková

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The subject of this article to meet the standards of WP:N due to lack of multiple, non-trivial references in reliable, third-party sources. The fact that she was World's Oldest Person in and of itself is irrelevant for determining if she should have a stand-alone article, since there's no Wikipedia policy on the oldest anything being automatically notable by the encyclopedia's standards (also based on long-term consensus, including most recently the redirecting of this World's oldest person). Thus we default to the general notability guidelines and any material of encyclopedic merit can be included on the many longevity-related lists on Wikipedia. Canadian  Paul  17:27, 10 October 2015 (UTC)

Keep It actually has a LOT to do with notability, and we wouldn't be discussing, for instance, the notability of Jeralean Talley. DN-boards1 (talk) 17:56, 10 October 2015 (UTC)
 * — Note to closing admin: DN-boards1 (talk • contribs) is the creator of the page that is the subject of this XfD.
 * Talley has non-trivial coverage in multiple, reliable third-party sources and therefore satisfies WP:N. Bernátková does not. Canadian   Paul  18:02, 10 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Oldest Czechoslovakian ever, only known Czechoslovakian supercentenarian, only known Czech and only known Slovak supercentenarian. Marie is notable.DN-boards1 (talk) 18:19, 10 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Again, not by Wikipedia's criteria for notability. Canadian   Paul  18:30, 10 October 2015 (UTC)

Delete As per WP:Notability (people): People are presumed notable if they have received significant coverage in multiple published secondary sources that are reliable, intellectually independent of each other, and independent of the subject.Isambard Kingdom (talk) 19:27, 10 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions. —&thinsp;JJMC89&thinsp; (T·C) 22:11, 10 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Czech Republic-related deletion discussions. —&thinsp;JJMC89&thinsp; (T·C) 22:11, 10 October 2015 (UTC)


 * Delete "the exact date of her death is not known; probably it was lost in turmoil following Soviet occupation of Czechoslovakia in August 1968. Since Czechoslovakia is now dissolved, Bernátkova is their only citizen to ever hold that title." Speculation and trivia, and one likely-non-RS. EEng (talk) 14:13, 14 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete Oldness alone is not notable. This article seems to me to fall in the same category that Gertrude Stein once attributed to Oakland. There's no "there" there. David in DC (talk) 16:05, 15 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Redirect to List of Czech supercentenarians NewYorkActuary (talk) 22:22, 16 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Found a better target for redirect ... Oldest people NewYorkActuary (talk) 23:01, 16 October 2015 (UTC)


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