Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Marie de Bourbon (1428–1448)


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The result was redirect to John II, Duke of Lorraine. Closing as redirect since the merge has already been completed. &spades;PMC&spades; (talk) 20:39, 28 June 2020 (UTC)

Marie de Bourbon (1428–1448)

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WP:NOTGENEALOGY, no evidence of notability  // Timothy ::  talk  09:57, 20 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions.   // Timothy ::  talk  09:57, 20 June 2020 (UTC)
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 * Comment. Per WP:NOTPAPER and WP:PRESERVE, I don't see the issue when she is clearly an historical figure that is being chronicled? Britishfinance (talk) 11:36, 20 June 2020 (UTC)
 * She is mentioned in geneologies, but the only reason appears to be her marriage. I can find nothing to indicate she meets WP:GNG and her relationship alone does not confer notibility WP:BIORELATED, WP:INVALIDBIO.  // Timothy ::  talk  12:47, 20 June 2020 (UTC)
 * She would not be a full delete given the notability of her father, mother, husband and child, all have Wikipedia articles – it would be at minimum a redirect. But who would we direct to? And in doing such a redirect, we would lose any way for a reader to understand her connections.  That is the benefit of WP:NOTPAPER and WP:PRESERVE. Britishfinance (talk) 17:19, 20 June 2020 (UTC)


 * Redirect to her husband, John II, Duke of Lorraine, where all her "connections" (other than her mother) are already enumerated (and Mom can be added too), plus her greatest significance is as a duchess. Clarityfiend (talk) 05:31, 21 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Merge/redirect to her husband. Peterkingiron (talk) 16:24, 21 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Redirect to her husband John II, Duke of Lorraine should work, I will add a few more bits from her article to her husband's article so nothing is lost. Britishfinance (talk) 16:27, 21 June 2020 (UTC)
 * I have completed the merge of the two articles now. Britishfinance (talk) 16:43, 21 June 2020 (UTC)


 * Merge/redirect seems to be the best answer. Thanks for doing the work.   // Timothy ::  talk  17:20, 21 June 2020 (UTC)
 * I think Marie de Bpourbon very much so has notability as Rene of Naples fought very hard to secure Lorraine for his son and Marie was mother to his heir also don't take this personally but I'm feeling that women aren't getting enough recogniition on wikepedia as Marie was litearly a peace treaty why should she have to be redirected to her husband's page is that all her life is worth her Marriage . Again do not take this personally it's just that I think that Marie's page should not be deleted however if that's the choice the administrators take It's fine by me- Rajputudor — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rajputudor (talk • contribs) 17:06, 22 June 2020 (UTC)
 * I tend to agree with you, but the details on her are very thin at this stage. She is definately a redirect in my view (and is chronicled in several databases of nobility, plus her familial connections are all notable), however, we would need more content/references about her to support a standalone article on her.  However, I have merged her references and content to her husband's article and I think a Redirect to his article, John II, Duke of Lorraine, will work.


 * Delete Wikipedia is not a geneological database. We do not have article on people who are only notable as part of notable families instead of being notable for what they did.John Pack Lambert (talk) 20:22, 22 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Given the notability of her two parents, husband, and son (all with WP articles), she does merit a Redirect. I have completed the merge of her article into her husband's article John II, Duke of Lorraine so that nothing is lost.  thanks. Britishfinance (talk) 19:21, 23 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Women-related deletion discussions. 1234qwer1234qwer4 (talk) 15:11, 24 June 2020 (UTC)


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