Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Marijn Backer


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. After article improvement, consensus is keep. (non-admin closure)  Onel 5969  TT me 23:57, 14 December 2020 (UTC)

Marijn Backer

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No sources since its creation in 2009. There's a claim of importance here though I don't really get much in Google searches beyond entries for his books. There's one news article in which he's mentioned in a caption but not in the body. — 🦊 09:38, 29 November 2020 (UTC)
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 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Netherlands-related deletion discussions.  Spiderone  09:58, 29 November 2020 (UTC)
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Delete Fails GNG. Teacher. Best Alexandermcnabb (talk) 10:09, 29 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Comment WP:JUSTAVOTE. User voted twice delete within 1 minute. Totally ignored the relevant professional standard claiming the person is a teacher. Being an educator is not what Backer is notable for, although it does relate to his nonfiction and youth fiction writing. Subject is an award-winning and frequently reviewed author (as all authors in major Dutch publishing houses are) and should never have been nominated. gidonb (talk) 01:20, 4 December 2020 (UTC)


 * Comment. I doubt he's notable for his work as a schoolteacher but he has a plausible case for notability through WP:AUTHOR: Google Books finds multiple books authored by him, and the two links in the "Awards" section of the article are to notable awards for writing. However we would need to find published reviews of the books or sourcing for the awards to confirm this. As he appears to be writing mainly children's books in Dutch, that probably means that the sources would also be in Dutch (not a problem for using them as sources, but it makes it more difficult for non-Dutch-speakers to find). —David Eppstein (talk) 21:28, 29 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep. Meets WP:AUTHOR #4c, has won an important prize and is included in an authoritative lexicon. Backer also meets the basic standard of the WP:GNG. There were no references but per WP:NEXIST "The absence of sources or citations in an article (as distinct from the non-existence of sources) does not indicate that a subject is not notable. Notability requires only the of suitable independent, reliable sources, not their immediate presence or citation in an article." I added a few references and there are many more sources. I hope that others will add more references. There is absolutely no lack of sources or interest in this Dutch author. gidonb (talk) 06:11, 30 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep per WP:HEY. Now there are enough reviews (or I guess recencies) to make a second case for WP:AUTHOR notability beyond the awards. —David Eppstein (talk) 06:37, 3 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Comment. With bios usually a few references support notability and the rest only support data in the article. This article is rare since all 15 references support the subject's notability. I can add more but time-consuming and the WP:HEY level was clearly reached. It puzzles me why this article was nominated in the first place. If one does not know how to find references in foreign languages, the correct remedy is adding a  template. Not AfD. gidonb (talk) 01:16, 5 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Even beyond the 15 references, I have added 2 more references that support the subject's notability and 2 more that don't -- to support the 18 translations. gidonb (talk) 13:56, 7 December 2020 (UTC) I upped to 22. Still, a for bios exceptionally high proportion of the references support notability. gidonb (talk) 20:30, 11 December 2020 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Missvain (talk) 19:00, 7 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep Significant effort expended and good sourcing changes made to the article. I would ask the other reviewers on this thread to revisit for another evaluation.--Concertmusic (talk) 19:54, 7 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep Agree with the previous comments that his awards make him a notable author, even if he isn't notable as a teacher. Papaursa (talk) 22:19, 11 December 2020 (UTC)


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