Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Marika Michalowska


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The result was  Keep Non Admin Close  D u s t i talk to me 18:15, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

Marika Michalowska

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insufficient or questionable notability; mention in media seems passing and has no corroborating opinions in notable media - CobaltBlueTony™ talk 17:38, 21 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep as creator. "Second best DJ in Poland" is a strong assertion of notability - passes WP:V quite easily. We should avoid WP:BIAS against non-Anglosphere subjects. These look like some reliable sources are there, and was mentioned in a newspaper. It's different for a DJ than for a band to meet WP:MUSIC as they may not necessarily release albums. Has been the subject of multiple press releases beyond what is already cited in the article.  . I don't understand Polish, but we shouldn't dismiss these sources because they're in another language.--h i s   s p a c e   r e s e a r c h 17:48, 21 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Other Google search terms show up good results - including 'marika dj wroclaw'.--h i s  s p a c e   r e s e a r c h 17:49, 21 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Yet another source.--h i s  s p a c e   r e s e a r c h 17:52, 21 February 2008 (UTC)
 * So should pass WP:MUSIC criterion 1.--h i s  s p a c e   r e s e a r c h 18:13, 21 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Keep Marika Michalowska was voted the "second best DJ in Poland" in Laif Magazine, the notability can be proved from this. A google search shows 31 ghits, and many of them are reliable source. These sources , prove notability.   Otolemur crassicaudatus  (talk) 17:48, 21 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment. I've notified WikiProject Poland to see if anyone involved there could get their say on the issue, and possibly assess the Polish language sources. Personally I think that being voted the second best DJ in any country with a large population should establish notability. If a person was voted second best DJ in the UK in any widely distributed magazine, there wouldn't be any doubt about notability.-h i s  s p a c e   r e s e a r c h 21:01, 21 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Poland-related deletion discussions.   —Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus 23:45, 21 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete. I am not convinced of notability. Laif Magazine has no article, for all we know it could be a zine with 10 issues. soundrevolt.com is an average website, hardly a very reliable source. Same applies to this website; neither does this one look better. PS. I found two bios in Polish but neither looks very reliable. Yes, she exists, but I don't see what makes her notable (that said, I don't see what makes any DJ notable... could somebody clarify that per WP:MUSIC?). --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus 23:49, 21 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Actually Laif is a notable magazine, fairy widely published.--Molobo (talk) 00:24, 22 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment. Whilst you have made valid points, in the case of Laif Magazine, just as Inclusion is not an indicator of notability, non-inclusion (of that magazine) is not an indicator of non-notability.-h i s  s p a c e   r e s e a r c h 23:56, 21 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Certainly. Nonetheless the magazine does not appear very notable (I cannot even google its homepage in the top 10 hits), and I still don't see what makes her notable. She does not appear to have attracted attention of any mainstream media, only a few specialized fansites (as far as I can tell).--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus 23:59, 21 February 2008 (UTC)
 * The homepage --Molobo (talk) 00:24, 22 February 2008 (UTC)
 * You did, however, state that you believed that you don't see what makes any DJ notable. So would you support the deletion of Paul Oakenfold? I've sent a notice to the reliable sources noticeboard over this AfD.--h i s  s p a c e   r e s e a r c h 00:02, 22 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Also, it might be more prominent in Google without the quotation marks, maybe just "laif"? "Laif Magazine" may not turn up relevant information, because it is likely not to include "magazine".-h i s  s p a c e   r e s e a r c h 00:05, 22 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Through this is going off-topic, I don't think Paul Oakenfold has any reliable sources; on the other hand he is a musician too and that seems to estabilish his notability. I am sure there are notable DJs; I am not sure if more than a few that have been the focus of reliable and long term mass media classify for notability just for being a dj, but it is not my area of specialization (and it is rather off-topic here). Going back on topic, I don't see that Marika's article is 1) supported by reliable sources and 2) asserts notability.--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus 00:11, 22 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Although the links may not load at the moment, some of them are from the UK newspaper The Independent (like The Guardian, it's a good left-inclined paper). That is certainly a reliable source. It's definitely not a tabloid newspaper. --h i s  s p a c e   r e s e a r c h 00:15, 22 February 2008 (UTC)
 * They seem to be broken, unfortunately.--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus 00:16, 22 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Whatever the case, be sure to avoid WP:WAX when debating the notability of a subject in AfD debates.--h i s  s p a c e   r e s e a r c h 00:20, 22 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Sure, it wasn't me who brought Paul Oakenfold into the discussion, now, was it? :) --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus 00:29, 22 February 2008 (UTC)
 * This is what I need to do for my verbal blunder. No, but seriously, I feel that other editors' reasons suggesting this article's notability need to be taken into account.--h i s  s p a c e   r e s e a r c h 00:38, 22 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Keep Notable Polish DJ.--Molobo (talk) 00:21, 22 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep. Barely meets the Ghit test (c. 139 hits), which is no big deal one way or another.  From WP:MUSIC, she appears to meet these criteria: she (a) ... has been the subject of multiple non-trivial published works whose source is independent from the musician/ensemble itself and reliable. This criterion includes published works in all forms.... (accepted) (b) Has received non-trivial coverage in a reliable source of an international concert tour, or a national concert tour in at least one sovereign country. (claimed but no proof yet) (c) Has become the most prominent representative of a notable style or of the local scene of a city; note that the subject must still meet all ordinary Wikipedia standards, including verifiability. (claimed and proven) (d) Has won or placed in a major music competition (placed).  Can anyone translate those Polish cites/sites?  I like to see more WP:RS in a WP:BLP. Bearian (talk) 01:48, 22 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep as per above comments. DJs never been notable persons in Poland due to the so called - Dulska syndrome see Dulska morality. Can't find even one example of DJ in Polish Wikipedia. But if English editors found her then I go with them. Besides where would be the Rolling Stones these days if not for DJs? greg park avenue (talk) 17:35, 22 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Delete - Claim of notability/importance is dependant upon a ranking by Laif Magazine. Why, then, is Laif not the source for this statement?  We can't just take the word of the provided sources, which are questionable, at best.  The current sources are 1) SoundRevolt.com (no known "reputation for fact-checking and accuracy" required per WP:V), 2) a "mention" in New Warsaw Express (WP:N requires "Significant coverage", meaning "that sources address the subject directly in detail") and puredjs.com (apparently a talent agency, which raises WP:NPOV issues).  ЭLСОВВОLД  talk 01:51, 27 February 2008 (UTC)


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