Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Mariko Shinoda


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The result was   keep. Mark Arsten (talk) 18:34, 20 June 2013 (UTC)

Mariko Shinoda

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My redirect was reverted, so we're here. Non-notable member of a 92-member group, whose only apparent reason for independent notability could be that she hosted a TV show, for which reliable sources are lacking--sources that are not fan sites and indicate that this was indeed a notable and noteworthy thing. For the rest her career (and the entire article) is that of AKB48. This is just another fan site in the ABK48 on Wikipedia series. Drmies (talk) 17:51, 13 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Japan-related deletion discussions. Michitaro (talk) 20:20, 13 June 2013 (UTC)


 * Keep. User who brought this AfD has turned a number of articles on individual AKB48 members into redirects. This is one that was clearly unjustified. First, as WP:NRVE states, "Notability requires only the existence of suitable independent, reliable sources, not their immediate citation. Wikipedia articles are not a final draft, and an article's subject can be notable if such sources exist, even if they have not been named yet." Just because this is a mediocre article does not mean it warrants deletion. Searches for her in Japanese, however, will find numerous reliable sources in major media about her individually (Nikkei, Sanspo, Asahi, Hochi, Mainichi, etc.). Second, it is true there is a legitimate argument that of the 100s of members of AKB and its sister groups, the vast majority do not deserve their own articles. Notability is not inherited. But it is basic to not only the AKB marketing strategy but also of many other talent agencies like Johnny's to create individual notability for the major members by having them appear in different musical groups, appear individually on TV, have individual contracts to do TV CMs, etc. So it is not the case that all AKB members are only notable because of AKB. Each must be judged individually. Shinoda is a clear keep because she has already pursued significant activities alone. In fact, she was ranked the number one female tarento of 2012 in Japan in terms of the number of television commercials she appears in (see here). I have added this and some other references to the article, though it could still use some improvement. Michitaro (talk) 20:49, 13 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Keep. She is notable. There has been many, many articles about her. E.g., these were on top of Google search:, , . I think Michitaro has already explained everything. By the way, look at the Wikipedia article traffic statistics of her article in the Japanese Wikipedia: and her Twiiter , where she has 1.6 million subscribers. --Moscow Connection (talk) 22:57, 13 June 2013 (UTC)
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 * Keep. I have never heard of her before, not knowing much about Japanese music. But while doing an Internet search for "Mariko" for unknown reasons, I observed that a large number (perhaps a majority) of the results were for this individual. Since Mariko is not an unusual Japanese name, it seems like the conclusion must be that she is notable (or that other people named Mariko are not very interesting or popular, which seems unlikely). Vectro (talk) 01:24, 14 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Keep - Per Michitaro's excellent commentary. Jun Kayama 02:52, 14 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Snow Keep - Is clearly popular in Japan, but more importantly, has received a lot of coverage. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 14:19, 14 June 2013 (UTC)
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