Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Marilyn Fierro (2nd nomination)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was redirect to Isshin-ryū. (non-admin closure) w umbolo   ^^^  21:19, 7 October 2018 (UTC)

Marilyn Fierro
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Speedy delete of repost was declined since content and references were different but the underlying reason for deletion remains. Does not meet WP:MANOTE. High rank and Hall of Fame membership are not indications of notability. PRehse (talk) 10:26, 19 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Martial arts-related deletion discussions. PRehse (talk) 10:28, 19 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Women-related deletion discussions.  CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 11:59, 19 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Sportspeople-related deletion discussions.  CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 12:00, 19 September 2018 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Delete. I have done a good faith media search and find no grounds for inclusion of the subject in an encyclopedia. Bongo  matic  15:15, 19 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep. I certainly understand the discussion taking place, but felt that her "Attack Prevention" program in Long Island, her television show, her book and the many awards she has won were enough to keep her in the encyclopedia. I've noticed over time that women are underrepresented in Wikipedia, and particularly in martial arts, and hoped that this would be an important addition. Redwhiteandblue (talk) 07:09, 20 September 2018 (UTC) — Note to closing admin: Redwhiteandblue (talk • contribs) is the creator of the page that is the subject of this AfD.
 * Delete She doesn't meet the notability criteria for martial artists (WP:MANOTE), athletes, or authors. Martial arts ranks and martial arts halls of fame have never been deemed to show notability.  Appearing on a local public access TV show is insufficient to meet WP:ENTERTAINER or WP:NACTOR.  Virtually every dojo has a self defense program so that's not noteworthy.  Finally, she lacks the significant independent coverage from reliable sources needed to meet WP:GNG.  The most detailed coverage of her is the autobiography she wrote at usadojo.com titled "Marilyn Fierro Hanshi of Many Talents".  I don't think any of the references listed qualifies towards meeting WP:GNG. Papaursa (talk) 23:50, 24 September 2018 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  Sandstein   19:53, 26 September 2018 (UTC)
 *  Weak Delete I would like to be able to say keep for her since my views on systemic bias in sports reporting are pretty well known, but I can't find any independent coverage for WP:GNG . Simonm223 (talk) 16:51, 3 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Redirect to Isshin-ryū. I merged what verifiable material there was in the article to a short paragraph there. she can wait there until such time as there is coverage for a standalone article. I think she probably should be notable, but at the current time does not pass GNG based on sources that I can find. —  Insertcleverphrasehere (or here)  16:21, 4 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Redirect to Isshin-ryū per Insertcleverphrasehere. I did a Google search and came to a similar conclusion.  She does have a book that is popular enough to be on goodreads, but that doesn't make her notable.  I didn't see RS in the article that is secondary or that makes her notable.  --David Tornheim (talk) 10:30, 5 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Redirect to Isshin-ryū as per - while the subject doesn't currently meet WP:GNG she would appear to meet the criteria for inclusion in that list, and this resolves some of my discomfort deleting a person who probably should be notable based on her accomplishments but who has not been subject to sufficient, online-indexed, public scrutiny to meet WP:GNG at this time. Simonm223 (talk) 12:04, 5 October 2018 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.