Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Marina Osman


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus. No prejudice against re-nomination by another user with a properly detailed rationale. &spades;PMC&spades; (talk) 13:20, 2 December 2017 (UTC)

Marina Osman

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WP:BLPPROD — Alexey Tourbaevsky, chelo Vechek /  talk  19:09, 25 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions.  Rcsprinter123     (report)  21:23, 25 November 2017 (UTC)
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 * Keep Please kindly indicate the informations to be sourced. I believe this is unfounded as 'To place a BLPPROD tag, the process requires that the article contain no sources in any form (as references, external links, etc.) which support any statements made about the person in the biography. (see WP:BLPPROD)' This decision seems arbitrary and has no apparent motivations. This action is against the policy for the deletion of biographical articles (see WP:BLPPROD). I request an immediate remediation to this problem.--Les Yeux Noirs (talk) 10:53, 26 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete does not meet notability guidelines for musicians.John Pack Lambert (talk) 00:37, 27 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Women-related deletion discussions. Coolabahapple (talk) 12:29, 27 November 2017 (UTC)


 * Comment This request is unjustified and unwarranted: this article respects amongst others the notability guideline n°12 of the musicians and music bands ('Has been a featured subject of a substantial broadcast segment across a national radio or TV network.', see WP:MUS) as Marina Osman has produced many shows broadcasted on national radio : radio Orpheus . In addition, Marina Osman has participated to the production of the soundtrack of the film 'Ad Libitum'. --Les Yeux Noirs (talk) 14:56, 27 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Comment For WP:BLPPROD to apply, there must be no sources in any form. The nomination is therefore incorrectly made. Notability might be separate issue, but the subject does have a credible claim to significance. Would suggest this discussion be closed as keep and if the nominator wishes to pursue, it could be re-submitted with a more detailed rationale for deletion. Eagleash (talk) 17:15, 27 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Comment The nominator mentioned WP:BLPPROD and probably shouldn't have but WP:AFD is a different process where any article can be nominated. The common standard an article should satisfy here at AFD is Notability or a subject-specific guideline like Notability (people) or Notability (music). I assume John Pack Lambert's "Delete" was referring to the latter. PrimeHunter (talk) 17:36, 27 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep. It's a well-researched and constructed article and meeting WP:MUS, as stated above, is enough. Spicemix (talk) 18:27, 27 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Comment: certainly doesn't meet BLPPROD, but the sources at present don't look good. References 2, 3, 13 and 14 aren't actually references at all, more like footnotes. The last two references are to the personal website of viola player Mikhail Kazinik and won't qualify as reliable sources – there are also two links to a music college website, and some of the other references are to blogs and simple event listings, which also won't pass RS, so I'm not sure if there are any independent reliable sources at all in this article. you are only allowed one vote, so one of your "keep" votes above should be struck. Richard3120 (talk) 20:12, 27 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Comment, some editors above state correctly that, at present, the article shows that Osman meets WP:MUS, specifically point 12, nevertheless, these are guidelines only - "Please note that the failure to meet any of these criteria does not mean an article must be deleted; conversely, meeting any of these criteria does not mean that an article must be kept. Rather, these are rules of thumb.." and " may be notable (my emphasis) if they meet at least one of the following criteria.", that said, Osman possibly meets WP:ANYBIO ("2.The person has made a widely recognized contribution that is part of the enduring historical record in his or her specific field"), i would be happier if the article contained more sources that show this. Coolabahapple (talk) 00:53, 28 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep Well-constructed article. --Aliveviolin (talk) 02:04, 1 December 2017 (UTC) — Aliveviolin (talk&#32;• contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. Richard3120 (talk) 02:40, 1 December 2017 (UTC)


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