Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Mario Borrelli


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was    Obvious keep on the person: books have been written about him., which we have always considered sufficient. As for the bibliography, I 'm closing as very strongly suggested merge, with elimination of minor material. I don't think there is consensus to keep such detailed bibliographies, except for writers (and, analogously, filmographies, lists of compositions, etc.  for other creative artists.)   DGG ( talk ) 19:33, 18 April 2012 (UTC)

Mario Borrelli

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There's an impressively high puffery quotient in this one, but once that gets stripped away, the thing is pretty hollow. We have reams of text telling us what a Great Man this Borrelli cove was, but that cannot mask the glaring lack of independent sources&mdash;and no, a random list of books and theses is no substitute for citations; as the information is unretrievable, it's of no account to us. I did, out of curiosity, look over Three Decades of Peace Education around the World in an attempt to gauge the depth of coverage myself, and the results hardly spoke well of Fra Borrelli's standing within the realm of independent, reliable sources. One of his articles and a book he co-wrote are cited, but essentially in passing, and not in any encyclopedically usable form. I have no idea what kind of coverage Trotta, Tafuri & Co. give the late priest, but the burden of showing it's significant enough to pass our notability criteria rests not on me, but on any wishing to keep the article. I encourage anyone to try, but if the effort fails, we should delete. - Biruitorul Talk 04:48, 11 April 2012 (UTC)

I am also nominating the following related page:
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Authors-related deletion discussions.  — Frankie (talk) 16:06, 12 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Social science-related deletion discussions.  — Frankie (talk) 16:06, 12 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Social science-related deletion discussions.  — Frankie (talk) 16:06, 12 April 2012 (UTC)

Keep: I think the coverage of Fr Borrelli in the early 60s was substantial and Morris West's (1957) Children of the Sun. [On life in the slums of Naples and the work of Mario Borrelli. With plates, including portraits.]. Heinemann, 1957 might be sufficient evidence of this for notablity. The article lists a play based on the book and a "This is your life" on TV (9 October 1961) but I don't know much about these yet. There is another biography of him - from Worldcat The tiger of Naples : the story of Father Borrelli and the street boys by Brian C Peachment, Religious Education Press.1978. (Msrasnw (talk) 19:42, 13 April 2012 (UTC))
 * Keep. Per the general notability guideline, "If a topic has received significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject, it is presumed to satisfy the inclusion criteria for a stand-alone article or stand-alone list. "Significant coverage" means that sources address the subject directly in detail, so no original research is needed to extract the content. Significant coverage is more than a trivial mention but it need not be the main topic of the source material." Borelli clearly passes this hurdle, with Peter Hargreaves's Mario Borrelli and Brian Peachment's The Defiant Ones: dramatic studies of modern social reformers. Moonraker (talk) 22:05, 13 April 2012 (UTC)
 * I should have said keep both. Given that Mario Borelli is notable, the Mario Borrelli bibliography is within policy and is not suitable for deletion. I suppose Biruitorul could propose a merger, but puttting such a substantial body of text into a page of its own is standard practice and is supported by the guidance at Manual of Style/Lists of works: "When to split-out articles: If an article already exists on an author or artist, then a separate article for a list of that person's works (such as Bibliography of Jorge Luis Borges or Robert A. Heinlein bibliography) is warranted if the list becomes so long that its inclusion in the main article would be unsuitable." Moonraker (talk) 08:48, 14 April 2012 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.